So you're never going to forgive Germany either?
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What WW2 actually was: a war between banking powers
- Thread starter Estro Felino
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Absolutely not.
But there are too many unanswered questions, especially about that ship the MS St Louis that was full of Jewish migrants who were fleeing the Nazi persecutions. But America didn't let them in. Why?
As a Christian, I think there are two kinds of people. The wicked and the just.
MS St. Louis - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I am on the side of the victims and on the just.
God will tell me everything, in the afterlife.
Great answer... absolutely not but here's how they are responsible. You never disappoint.
Only until it became obvious Germany would lose then they changed sides.
We didn't "change sides". We just surrendered.
Italy declares war on Germany | October 13, 1943 | HISTORY
On October 13, 1943, the government of Italy declares war on its former Axis partner Germany and joins the battle on the side of the Allies. With Mussolini deposed from power and the collapse of the fascist government in July, Gen. Pietro Badoglio, Mussolini’s former chief of staff and the man...
www.history.com
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
well, if you actually decided to research the history and not apply conspiracy theory logic to it, you would know why. It is well documented. It was a horrible thing to to and in retrospect it was a heinous act, there is no forgiving it, but it is far from an unanswered question....Absolutely not.
But there are too many unanswered questions, especially about that ship the MS St Louis that was full of Jewish migrants who were fleeing the Nazi persecutions. But America didn't let them in. Why?
As a Christian, I think there are two kinds of people. The wicked and the just.MS St. Louis - Wikipedia
I am on the side of the victims and on the just.
God will tell me everything, in the afterlife.
That's not the same thing.Italy declares war on Germany | October 13, 1943 | HISTORY
On October 13, 1943, the government of Italy declares war on its former Axis partner Germany and joins the battle on the side of the Allies. With Mussolini deposed from power and the collapse of the fascist government in July, Gen. Pietro Badoglio, Mussolini’s former chief of staff and the man...
Otherwise it would have declared war on Japan too.
The king of Italy had to declare war on Nazi Germany because it had occupied Northern Italy and ruling through the puppet state called "Republic of Salò". Mussolini's republic.
Had the Germans left Italy, the king would have never declared war on the Germans.
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Actually in the beginning Hitler was a Mussolini fan boy, as were many of the Italian people. But as things moved forward the relationship changed with Hitler, who became more and more disappointed and the Italian people who got more and more fed up.
May I know the reason?
Disappointment in the Italians.
Whoodah thunkit?
With all due respect...but this is a serious thread.
I am speaking of history, here.
Elements described by a Polish professor, honorary member of the Nuremberg Trials.
Declaring war on your old ally is not changing sides.... ummm okey dokey.
Do you really expect others to believe that antisemitism took root in Europe due to elites in other countries, and did not get roused from Fascists?
Are you a fascist? Or are you just engaging in apologia for fun?
Italians and Germans have been doing self-criticism for 80 years.
Self-criticism...a word unknown overseas.
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
it is EXACTLY the same thing.
And not declaring war on Japan would have had absolutely nothing to do with it. Russia was in World war 2 and declared war on Germany but not on Japan until almost the end of the war. But with that said, your statement is wrong because Italy did declare war on Japan, Italy issued a formal declaration of war on Japan on 14 July 1945.
It didn't come from Fascism.
Absolutely not. I am against war, imperialism, dictatorships. They are horrific and devilish.
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Just as a note: Italy was fascist, Germany was Nazi. There is a difference. Nazism is Fascism but Fascism is not Nazi. Reason, Fascism is nationalistic, Nazism is nationalistic but has a racial superiority aspect
In all seriousness, if the banker plot youWith all due respect...but this is a serious thread.
I am speaking of history, here.
Elements described by a Polish professor, honorary member of the Nuremberg Trials.
claim were true, then Italy was part of it.
I understand the distinction, but the Italian Fascists at best could be argued to have adopted the hardcore antisemitism from the German Fascists.
Trying to allude the antisemitism came from overseas elites and not Fascism (in a thread where OP has been alluding to jewish banking families no less,) is an apologetic stance that deflects blame from Germany and Italy.