What WW2 actually was: a war between banking powers

[Wu Wei]

May I know the reason?

You may, just look it up, its there

 

[Wu Wei]

Disappointment in the Italians.
Whoodah thunkit?

well it was not so much in Italians in general as it was in Mussolini

 

[John53]

That's not the same thing.
Otherwise it would have declared war on Japan too.
The king of Italy had to declare war on Nazi Germany because it had occupied Northern Italy and ruling through the puppet state called "Republic of Salò". Mussolini's republic.
Had the Germans left Italy, the king would have never declared war on the Germans.

Italy did declare war on Japan....

From here... Military history of Italy during World War II - Wikipedia

"A further purpose of the Italian declaration of war on Japan was to persuade the Allies that the new government of Italy deserved to be invited to the San Francisco Peace Conference, as a reward for its co-belligerence.However, the British Prime Minister Churchill and John Foster Dulles were resolutely against the idea, and so Italy's new government was left out of the Conference."

Now it's time for your next re-write of the facts....

 

[Wu Wei]

I understand the distinction, but the Italian Fascists at best could be argued to have adopted the hardcore antisemitism from the German Fascists.

Trying to allude the antisemitism came from overseas elites and not Fascism (in a thread where OP has been alluding to jewish banking families no less,) is an apologetic stance that deflects blame from Germany and Italy.

agreed.

Antisemitism is not unique to Germany of WW2, but it most certainly took it to the extreme. And it is not the fault of Jewish banking families at all. There were wealthy foreigners who were antisemitic, but they did not push Germany or Italy into doing anything, nor did they influence Hitler.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We didn't "change sides". We just surrendered.

I'd just let the switching sides thing stand. Its a better look than getting down on your knees along with the other wicked ********.

 

[Estro Felino]

I understand the distinction, but the Italian Fascists at best could be argued to have adopted the hardcore antisemitism from the German Fascists.

Trying to allude the antisemitism came from overseas elites and not Fascism (in a thread where OP has been alluding to jewish banking families no less,) is an apologetic stance that deflects blame from Germany and Italy.

I never claimed such a thing.

 

[Estro Felino]

agreed.

Antisemitism is not unique to Germany of WW2, but it most certainly took it to the extreme. And it is not the fault of Jewish banking families at all. There were wealthy foreigners who were antisemitic, but they did not push Germany or Italy into doing anything, nor did they influence Hitler.

It's funny how the safest places on Earth right now for Jews are Italy and Germany.

 

[Wu Wei]

It's funny how the safest places on Earth right now for Jews are Italy and Germany.

Interesting but then we are not talking about right now are we.... we are talking world war 2.,,

But if you want to talk right now, I believe that your statement is false. According to The Times of Israel the least AntiSemitic countries are

1. Laos
2. Philippines
3. Sweden
4. Netherlands
5. Vietnam
6. United Kingdom
7. United States
8. Denmark
9. Tanzania
10. Thailand

Germany and Italy are not even in the top 10

 

[Estro Felino]

Interesting but then we are not talking about right now are we.... we are talking world war 2.,,

But if you want to talk right now, I believe that your statement is false. According to The Times of Israel the least AntiSemitic countries are

1. Laos
2. Philippines
3. Sweden
4. Netherlands
5. Vietnam
6. United Kingdom
7. United States
8. Denmark
9. Tanzania
10. Thailand

Germany and Italy are not even in the top 10

Sorry, I meant in Europe.

 

[Wu Wei]

Sorry, I meant in Europe.

But they are not even the safest in the list for europe

1. Laos
2. Philippines
3. Sweden
4. Netherlands
5. Vietnam
6. United Kingdom
7. United States
8. Denmark
9. Tanzania
10. Thailand

So again, Germany and Italy are not even the safest place in Europe for Jewish people per the Israeli news. So what you posted is incorrect

 

[Wu Wei]

Antisemitism in 2022. Overview of antisemitic incidents recorded in the EU

 

[John53]

But they are not even the safest in the list for europe

1. Laos
2. Philippines
3. Sweden
4. Netherlands
5. Vietnam
6. United Kingdom
7. United States
8. Denmark
9. Tanzania
10. Thailand

So again, Germany and Italy are not even the safest place in Europe for Jewish people per the Israeli news. So what you posted is incorrect

You're confusing the issue with your dang facts! That's not fair!

 

[Revoltingest]

well it was not so much in Italians in general as it was in Mussolini

To be disappointed in the best that Italians
had to offer...that's even worse.

 

[YoursTrue]

German Imperialism which wanted to counter the British one...is also a component. For instance, who owned the Suez Canal?
The same banking dynasty who wanted to counter the other inimical banking dynasty.

But you cannot deny that Warburg, Ford, Teagle, Rockefeller owned the IG Farben. They were Americans, right?
They owned the IG Farben, the industry which built Auschwitz.

These are facts. You cannot deny the obvious.

Yeah, it's hard to give up money.

 

[YoursTrue]

World War 2 was merely the sequel to World War 1. Prior to WW1, the major powers of Europe controlled pretty much the entire world. There was no reason for those with that much wealth and power to fight each other, although nationalism was a key element.

I think some of it may have had to do with the rise of Germany as a unified power. After handily defeating the French in 1871, the Germans might have felt that they were at least superior to the French and should have what the French had - an overseas global empire. Apparently, the British didn't see it this way. For example, in 1905, Germany made a play to try to seize French-controlled Morocco, but the British interceded on the French side, and Germany backed down. In fact, that was a recurring pattern in the decades leading up to WW1, such as when Britain interfered against Russia on behalf of Turkey in the Crimean War in an early example of Russophobia.

If it was simply a matter of banking dynasties wanting to make more money, then there's no reason to fight. There was plenty of money for all. I suppose it's possible that those who already controlled the world markets wanted to keep it for themselves, but why would they favor French bankers over German bankers? If Britain had simply picked Germany instead of France as their bed partner, the World Wars could have been avoided. It seems the modern world has been largely shaped by fickle Britain and her frivolous choices. Not exactly the practicality or pragmatism of bankers. In fact, Britain, France, and other major powers mainly went down, while the power shifted to America - all because the Europeans (and by extension, the bankers) had no clue as to what they were doing.

Very insightful comments and sad imo. People harbor all sorts of prejudices and wrong ideas as far as I am concerned. Obviously some have influenced world shaking ideas. Some people actually think that they can clear up mankind's problems. I do not believe that. I believe only God can do that, and will do that. But -- there are and will be (I believe) people who support God in these issues. For instance, Psalm 46 brings out that He will put an end to all wars. I am thankful for that.

 

[Wu Wei]

To be disappointed in the best that Italians
had to offer...that's even worse.

I don't know why but every time I see a picture of Mussolini it makes me think of George C Scott as Patton

 

[Stevicus]

I don't know why but every time I see a picture of Mussolini it makes me think of George C Scott as Patton

Ahh, but they didn't have a pipe:

 

[justaguy313]

Operation Sunrise is quite an interesting topic for those interested. It is described in detail in David Talbot's Devil's chessboard.

 

[Estro Felino]

But they are not even the safest in the list for europe

1. Laos
2. Philippines
3. Sweden
4. Netherlands
5. Vietnam
6. United Kingdom
7. United States
8. Denmark
9. Tanzania
10. Thailand

So again, Germany and Italy are not even the safest place in Europe for Jewish people per the Israeli news. So what you posted is incorrect

I trust real sources...you know...like this.

Which European countries are keeping Jews the safest?

Jews are feeling disconnected from their Jewish identity and experiencing moments of lack of safety. Why?

www.jpost.com

 

[Estro Felino]

I understand the distinction, but the Italian Fascists at best could be argued to have adopted the hardcore antisemitism from the German Fascists.

Trying to allude the antisemitism came from overseas elites and not Fascism (in a thread where OP has been alluding to jewish banking families no less,) is an apologetic stance that deflects blame from Germany and Italy.

I also remind you that even that there were the racial laws, no Jew was touched.
It was the Germans who occupied Italy in 1943 and started deporting Italian Jews to Auschwitz.

Do you know what being an occupied country means? You have zero free will.