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[URAVIP2ME]

You can do the same.....
Forgive your fellow man.
"forgive our trespasses......as we forgive others....."
so I've heard.

Good point Thief to mention the ^above^ because by what measure we measure we will be measured.

Those false Pharisees taught to forgive only 3 times, so Peter apparently thought he was being generous by saying 7 times and Jesus gently rebuked him by saying to forgive up to 77 times ( or countless times )

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Instead, I prefer to say.....
We live in sin.....sin (in Spanish) means 'without'.
We do live without God.
We have only the scribes and the prophets.
(I don't follow congregation)
Death frees us from sin.
God and heaven will be there in your last hour....
to see what stands from the dust.
(this is resurrection)
God is Spirit.
the sons of God are spirit.

We live with sin's leanings toward wrongdoing.
Since Pentecost Jesus is the spiritual kingdom head of the Christian congregation.
Daniel expected to stand from the dust ( meaning a future healthy physical resurrection on earth ) Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13

The angelic sons of God ( angels ) are a spirit creation ( invisible creation to us )
The earthy sons of God ( humans ) are a physical creation ( visible to us )
Those humans called to be ' saints ' or ' holy ones ' will be resurrected in a spirit body like Jesus and the angels - Daniel 7:18,21-22,27
The majority of mankind will be restored or resurrected back to life on earth during Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth.
- Psalms 72:8

 

[Thief]

Please keep in mind the day Jesus died Jesus went to the grave (KJV biblical hell ) - Acts of the Apostles 2:27
Jesus did Not ascent to ' heaven ' until 40 days after God resurrected the dead Jesus out of the grave - Acts of the Apostles 3:15

So, the ' this day ' is ' the day of death' Jesus made the promise for a future on a paradisaical earth.
Even the people of Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39 did Not yet see the fulfillment of the promise.
The promise God made to father Abraham at Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18 that all families and nations of earth will be blessed.
Blessed with the healing of earth's nations through Jesus' coming 1,000 governmental rulership over earth. - Revelation 22:2

I got it right....and I know well....different gospels don't read the same.

 

[aoji]

3:11 he hath set eternity in their heart, yet so that man cannot find out the work that God hath done from the beginning even to the end.
Man years for immortality.

3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it; and God hath done it, that men should fear before him.
Man knows he is mortal.

Man therefore should do Good to have a peaceful death. Then comes the Judgement, although the dead will probably judge themselves beforehand as they are dying.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

3:11 he hath set eternity in their heart, yet so that man cannot find out the work that God hath done from the beginning even to the end.
Man years for immortality.
3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it; and God hath done it, that men should fear before him.
Man knows he is mortal.
Man therefore should do Good to have a peaceful death. Then comes the Judgement, although the dead will probably judge themselves beforehand as they are dying.

Since time and unforeseen events befall all of mankind - Ecclesiastes 9:11 - then all who do good will not have a peaceful death.
Not all judgment is: adverse judgment. The humble living ' sheep ' on earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on earth have a favorable judgment - Matthew 25:31-32

Adam was Not created to be immortal. Adam was created for ' everlasting life ' on earth as long as Adam obeyed God's Law.
As life was originally offered to Adam, Jesus too offers ' everlasting life ' on earth for humble people - Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:11,29.

Sin has a price tag to pay. That price tag is: death - Romans 6:23. One's death stamps the price tag of sin as " Paid In Full ".
That is why Romans 6:7 says the dead are freed or acquitted from sin. As a governor can pardon a person so the crime charges do Not stick, Jesus as Judge can pardon a person so the sin charges do Not stick. That does Not make a person as now innocent, but in the future earthly resurrection the resurrected ones will have the opportunity at that time to gain everlasting life on a beautiful paradisaical earth under Christ's 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth. - Acts of the Apostles 24:15

Only some are called to heaven and they are part of a first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6
As for the rest or majority of mankind ( except for those of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6 ) most people will have a healthy physical resurrection back to healthy life on earth during Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth - Psalms 72:8

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I got it right....and I know well....different gospels don't read the same.

Please keep in mind: it is the gospel according to Matthew, the gospel according to Mark, the gospel according to Luke, the gospel according to John. Basically one gospel with four writers. All four gospel accounts make up one gospel about Jesus.

When the Bible was translated into old ' KJV English ' some words were given different meanings.
That does Not make the gospel as wrong, but makes the definition of some words as wrong.
The ancient manuscripts support Bible canon and the corrected meaning of the translated old KJV English words.
That is why we can know the old KJV English word hellfire translated from the word Gehenna does Not mean a literal burning.
Gehenna was simply just a garbage pit where things were destroyed and Not kept burning forever.
That is why Jesus taught about perishing ( being destroyed ) and Not about burning forever - John 3:16 B
John 3:16 is in harming with 2 Peter 3:9 to repent so as Not to perish ( be destroyed ).

 

[Thief]

Please keep in mind: it is the gospel according to Matthew, the gospel according to Mark, the gospel according to Luke, the gospel according to John. Basically one gospel with four writers. All four gospel accounts make up one gospel about Jesus.

When the Bible was translated into old ' KJV English ' some words were given different meanings.
That does Not make the gospel as wrong, but makes the definition of some words as wrong.
The ancient manuscripts support Bible canon and the corrected meaning of the translated old KJV English words.
That is why we can know the old KJV English word hellfire translated from the word Gehenna does Not mean a literal burning.
Gehenna was simply just a garbage pit where things were destroyed and Not kept burning forever.
That is why Jesus taught about perishing ( being destroyed ) and Not about burning forever - John 3:16 B
John 3:16 is in harming with 2 Peter 3:9 to repent so as Not to perish ( be destroyed ).

Nay.....most scholars will never agree the origins of the gospels.
and John is very different that his three counterparts.

 

[JoStories]

It's a wonderful thing doing compassion without expecting anything in return. The entire complex would be works in vain, and an impure intent.

Your belief in reincarnation, is it off of what is gradually accumulated through evolution of consciousness? Would one be born into a more stable and loving environment based off of their pure or harmful intent in their prior life? If I lived like an animal in this life, would I be born into suffering in another physical body in a more suffering environment for my prior actions? Karma? Cause and effect?

The path of Buddhism teaches that each life is a lesson plan we choose on our own to learn those lessons. If I was a total jerk in a previous life, I might choose to have someone be a jerk to me to understand how untenable that is. In this life, my lessons are about loss. Loss so severe as to be crippling, among other things like being an advocate for elders and fighting elder abuse to my last breath. Maybe next time it might be about being a criminal or anything else. It is all about learning cause and effect and becoming enlightened. And paying back our Dukkha. A concept dealing with suffering.

 

[JoStories]

Since we receive 50% of our genes from one parent and 50% of our genes from the other parent, then how could reincarnation or a next rebirth happen ?
Rather resurrection ( restoring of the dead person back to life ) would be more meaningful.
Most people think of resurrection as in meaning going to heaven at death, whereas what the Bible really teaches is the dead are in a sleep-like state. Some do have a first or earlier resurrection to heaven - Revelation 20:6, but the majority of mankind will have a future resurrection back to healthy life on earth starting when Jesus soon governs over earth for a thousand years. Acts of the Apostles 24:15

Reincarnation has nothing to do with genetics. Its about the higher self. The higher self coming back to be reborn to learn what one must to become enlightened. Past live experiences have a long and interesting history. Much like mystical experiences cross the boundaries of many faiths. Assuming you believe in God and your soul, it is the soul...higher self, that is reborn.

 

[JoStories]

Ok, but how do you know how far back this syncretism goes? The Jews were writing the Bible around 600BC? How many other religious culture went into influencing that? Some feel even Moses was influence by Egyptian religious culture.

You use Revelations, how certain are you of it's lack of syncretism?

Excellent points. The story of Moses is believed by some to have come from Egypt and some also see the Epic of Gilgamesh as being the fodder for the story. What is clear is that the gist of the story comes from older sources as the parallels are very hard to ignore, or at least IMO.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Ecclesiastes 3
12 I know that there is nothing better for people than to be happy and to do good while they live. 13 That each of them may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all their toil—this is the gift of God. 14 I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that people will fear him.

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To fear God IMO means to be in awe of him. To respect him. To know he is God and he is in control. We so often want to be our own God but then when things don't go our way or we make a mess of things we blame it on God. God just wants us to respect him and to love him. He does not put in us. In fact his word tells us he does not give us fear but a sound mind. In fact he tells us 365 times in his word not to be afraid.

 

[Nakosis]

No one need be without biblical knowledge or education.
- Matthew 26:12-13
The Bible's message of Revelation 22:2 was written for our day or time frame.
Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 - mentions the times of such biblical ignorance is past.
Everyone who sincerely seeks God will find him - Zephaniah 2:3
No one can stop the Bible, or stop God's people from the international spreading about the Good News of God's Kingdom government being the solution for mankind's problems. That Jesus will be the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.

Ok, that's kind of where I'm going. If nothing is going to stop the God News, then what I do or don't do doesn't matter. I'll just go about my business and let God deal with it.

 

[leibowde84]

Fear means Revere

Case closed.

Can you provide support for this claim?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Nay.....most scholars will never agree the origins of the gospels.
and John is very different that his three counterparts.

Why would it be necessary for each of the 4 writers just parrot the same thing ?
Each complements the other. John lived longer than the rest so there was No need for John to repeat most of the other 3 gospel accounts. Why do scholars have to agree ? All of Jesus' teachings agree with the old Hebrew Scriptures.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Ok, that's kind of where I'm going. If nothing is going to stop the Good News, then what I do or don't do doesn't matter. I'll just go about my business and let God deal with it.

Yes, it does matter, because if we don't call out ( Matthew 24:14 ) then the stones will - Luke 19:40
We're calling out, so to speak, because God gifted Psalm 115:16 to us.
We're calling out to fulfill what Jesus said we should be doing for him at Matthew 28:18-20
Since earth is granted to us, then it is our business to show God and Jesus just how much we appreciate God's gift.
We're calling out as to be part of the reward of Matthew 5:5 when the humble people will inherit earth forever - Psalms 37:29
We're calling out so the world can see we are part of the upright 'sheep'-like people of Matthew 25:31-32, and Not part of those who will Not remain on earth - Proverbs 2:21-22 - but will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7.
We are nearing the threshold of the soon coming ' time of separation ' on earth - Matthew 25:31-32 - when humble ' sheep'-like ones can remain alive on earth, and continue living on earth, right into the millennial time of Jesus' governing over earth for a thousand years when all nations of earth will be blessed with the benefits of Revelation 22:2 when righteous mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on earth for the permanent curing of earth's nations.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

To fear God IMO means to be in awe of him. To respect him. To know he is God and he is in control. We so often want to be our own God but then when things don't go our way or we make a mess of things we blame it on God. God just wants us to respect him and to love him. He does not put in us. In fact his word tells us he does not give us fear but a sound mind. In fact he tells us 365 times in his word not to be afraid.

Enjoyed the ^above ^ because through God's awesome power Jesus was teaching us that God is in control. Control Not only over heaven, but in control over earth.
Jesus' miracle works were a small-scale sample of what Jesus will be doing on a grand-global scale during his coming millennial reign over earth, when Jesus will govern over earth for a thousand years.- Revelation 20:6
Jesus cured people so that we can know under his 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth Jesus will cure all the sick.
Cured or healed Just as Isaiah wrote at Isaiah 33:24 B, and Isaiah chapter 35
Jesus fed hungry people showing he has the God-given ability to feed everyone on earth. Psalm 72:16
Jesus regulated weather phenomenon - Mark 4:39; Mark 6:50-51 - showing dangerous storms will Not happen under his coming rule.
Most of all, ( those not called to heaven ) can have a future healthy physical resurrection back to healthy life on earth.
- John 3:13; Acts of the Apostles 2:34; Isaiah 25:8; Acts of the Apostles 24:15; Revelation 21:4-5; 1 Corinthians 15:26

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Reincarnation has nothing to do with genetics. Its about the higher self. The higher self coming back to be reborn to learn what one must to become enlightened. Past live experiences have a long and interesting history. Much like mystical experiences cross the boundaries of many faiths. Assuming you believe in God and your soul, it is the soul...higher self, that is reborn.

How can there be reincarnation when each person receives half of their genes from each parent ?
50% from one parent, and 50% from the other.

Since Adam was made and formed from the dust of the earth - Genesis 2:7 - and when God breathed the 'breath of life ' into life-less inanimate Adam it was then that Adam became a living person or soul. No prior existence for father Adam, or mother Eve.

 

[Thief]

Why would it be necessary for each of the 4 writers just parrot the same thing ?
Each complements the other. John lived longer than the rest so there was No need for John to repeat most of the other 3 gospel accounts. Why do scholars have to agree ? All of Jesus' teachings agree with the old Hebrew Scriptures.

If you would report your belief and use gospel as reference.....
the inconsistencies of the gospels don't help you.

John starts out with no venture to the wilderness, 40days and nights.....
By John's report the Carpenter has called followers and is then at a wedding feast
changing water to wine.

It seems John was watching Someone else.

 

[JoStories]

How can there be reincarnation when each person receives half of their genes from each parent ?
50% from one parent, and 50% from the other.

Since Adam was made and formed from the dust of the earth - Genesis 2:7 - and when God breathed the 'breath of life ' into life-less inanimate Adam it was then that Adam became a living person or soul. No prior existence for father Adam, or mother Eve.

You are trying to fit the 'higher soul' into the corporeal body. Do you or do you not believe that you will live on after this life in heaven? Assuming you are Christian, you do believe that. The Soul. No Adam or Eve as that is purely allegorical and could not have given rise to humankind. Its genetically impossible.

 

[Koldo]

Fear means Revere

Case closed.

I don't buy that. If it was simply 'to revere', why is the word 'fear' used so many times ?
It is not only a few translations that use it either. Nearly every translation in english uses the word 'fear' in Proverbs 1:7, for example.

Now if you mean that this 'fear' has the connotation of 'reverence', I can agree to that. That seems to be in line with what is written.