What's purpose to lable this DIR"Evolution Vs. Creationism"

[Shad]

[QUOTE="Godobeyer, post: 4963503, member: 24744"

Your claim far from the truth, the Muslims never monopoly the science. [/quote]

Developed countries do not either as per China which is not considered a developed nation.

Its known that non-muslims taught Muslims sciences like jebra, Arabic numbers, algorithm, medical.... Etc

Yes but you missed the point. Muslim scientific develop leaped forward after they expanded into an Empire via conquest and occupation. Thus your criteria for developed nations applies to early Muslim as well

 

[Godobeyer]

Developed countries do not either as per China which is not considered a developed nation.



Yes but you missed the point. Muslim scientific develop leaped forward after they expanded into an Empire via conquest and occupation. Thus your criteria for developed nations applies to early Muslim as well

Not true at all.

The Muslims did not monopoly the science,that's why the world had influence by their science, such Arabic numbers.1234567890



here is no such thing as Islamic science – for science is the most universal of human activities. But the means to facilitating scientific advances have always been dictated by culture, political will and economic wealth. What is only now becoming clear (to many in the west) is that during the dark ages of medieval Europe, incredible scientific advances were made in the Muslim world. Geniuses in Baghdad, Cairo, Damascus and Cordoba took on the scholarly works of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Persia, Greece, India and China, developing what we would call "modern" science. New disciplines emerged – algebra, trigonometry and chemistry as well as major advances in medicine, astronomy, engineering and agriculture. Arabic texts replaced Greek as the fonts of wisdom, helping to shape the scientific revolution of the Renaissance. What the medieval scientists of the Muslim world articulated so brilliantly is that science is universal, the common language of the human race. The 1001 Inventions exhibition at London's Science Museum tells some of the stories of this forgotten age. Here are my top six exhibits . . .


https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/feb/01/islamic-science

 

[Shad]

Not true at all.

The Muslims did not monopoly the science,that's why the world had influence by their science, such Arabic numbers.1234567890

This argument is flawed as you are talking about math not science...... Besides I can use your argument against you. Developed nations do not have a monopoly on science considering undeveloped and developing nations benefit and use such progress from medical science.

here is no such thing as Islamic science – for science is the most universal of human activities.

Never said there was. I said Muslim scientific developments as a people not a religion. Just like I could say Christian or American, etc, etc.

But the means to facilitating scientific advances have always been dictated by culture, political will and economic wealth. What is only now becoming clear (to many in the west) is that during the dark ages of medieval Europe, incredible scientific advances were made in the Muslim world.

This is old new to anyone that has taken some basic history of science courses.

Geniuses in Baghdad, Cairo, Damascus and Cordoba took on the scholarly works of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Persia, Greece, India and China, developing what we would call "modern" science.

Hardly. Modern science is not solely the product of Muslims.

New disciplines emerged – algebra

Which dates back to Babylon at the very least

trigonometry

Which dates back Sumeria. Trigonometry is a Greek word....

and chemistry

Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians, Indians all used it for centuries before Islam.

as well as major advances in medicine, astronomy, engineering and agriculture. Arabic texts replaced Greek as the fonts of wisdom, helping to shape the scientific revolution of the Renaissance.

Which I have no doubt of.

The 1001 Inventions exhibition at London's Science Museum tells some of the stories of this forgotten age. Here are my top six exhibits . . .

2. predates Islam by centuries. Written records of it are dated back to the Han dynasty in China.

5. Is based on 15th century poem about Ibn Firnas flying like a phoenix. Such a story has no credibility especially by invoking a mythical creature as a comparison. Besides there are other stories of flying such as Kao Yang attaching bamboo wings to people and throwing them off a cliff. The result was the same as Ibn Firnas story, they like him crashed. They must of flown as well right..... Apparently if you throw yourself off a building with wings attached that is considered flying....

 

[Godobeyer]

This argument is flawed as you are talking about math not science...... Besides I can use your argument against you. Developed nations do not have a monopoly on science considering undeveloped and developing nations benefit and use such progress from medical science.





Never said there was. I said Muslim scientific developments as a people not a religion. Just like I could say Christian or American, etc, etc.



This is old new to anyone that has taken some basic history of science courses.




Hardly. Modern science is not solely the product of Muslims.



Which dates back to Babylon at the very least



Which dates back Sumeria. Trigonometry is a Greek word....



Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians, Indians all used it for centuries before Islam.




Which I have no doubt of.



2. predates Islam by centuries. Written records of it are dated back to the Han dynasty in China.

5. Is based on 15th century poem about Ibn Firnas flying like a phoenix. Such a story has no credibility especially by invoking a mythical creature as a comparison. Besides there are other stories of flying such as Kao Yang attaching bamboo wings to people and throwing them off a cliff. The result was the same as Ibn Firnas story, they like him crashed. They must of flown as well right..... Apparently if you throw yourself off a building with wings attached that is considered flying....

I don't take your opinion as credible one.


If I am instead of you, I would stop using Arabic numbers,use instead Roman one. because anti-Islam .

 

[Shad]

I don't take your opinion as credible one.

Irrelevant as I am pointing out the source material for your 1001 claims, nothing more.

If I am instead of you, I would stop using Arabic numbers,use instead Roman one. because anti-Islam .

Irrelevant tripe. You are acting as if my points are anti-Islam rather than just attacking you, your points and your horrible argument. Play the victim some more. Maybe you can see my tiny violin playing while you are at it.

 

[Godobeyer]

Irrelevant as I am pointing out the source material for your 1001 claims, nothing more.

Irrelevant tripe. You are acting as if my points are anti-Islam rather than just attacking you, your points and your horrible argument. Play the victim some more. Maybe you can see my tiny violin playing while you are at it.

Yes I have no doubt that you are anti-Islam.

Plus I personally don't take opinions of rude and stubbornness people as source of credibility.

 

[Kirran]

The numerals 1234567890 were adopted from the Indians by the Arabs. Just to mention - Arabic numerals they are not. The system was developed in India around 500 AD, and then in the 800s became known by Persian and Arab mathematicians. Becoming established in Baghdad, it spread further into Europe and the Middle East, with the particular shapes we use in European-derived alphabets being derived from those as drawn by the North Africa. In Syria during the 900s the system was extended to include fractions, so that was very good, well done mathematicians of 10th Century Syria.

So there's that. Indian numerals.

This is how they're written in Devanagari script - ०.१.२.३.४.५.६.७.८.९
Here in Eastern Arabic - ٠‎ - ١‎ - ٢‎ - ٣‎ -٤‎ - ٥‎ - ٦‎ - ٧‎ - ٨‎ - ٩

Personally, I like the Chinese, which is unrelated -
○ 一 二 三 四 五 六 七 八 九 十

Ling Yi Er San Si Wu Liu Qi Ba Jiao Shi

 

[Shad]

Yes I have no doubt that you are anti-Islam.

You are just upset that you are often a target. This is because you continuously make horrible claims, openly display your lack of education and rely upon sources which are equally ignorant as you are. You are called out for your horrible arguments then react negatively as if opposition is anti-Islam rather than attacking your reasoning. You then project this discomfort as an attack on Islam as you are unable to separate your personal view from Islam and treat your personal views as if synonymous with Islam. You are doing nothing more than projecting yourself on to Islam. Besides there are Muslims that have criticized your arguments for the same reasons as I have. They have a similar conclusion as I have namely uneducated people make grand claims but know nothing about what they are talking about.

Plus I personally don't take opinions of rude and stubbornness people as source of credibility.

Neither are justified criteria for rejecting a view. You are just upset thus your point is emotional not rational thus an emotional bias. Beside I doubt you accept any opinion which does not in some way support your bias.

The problem is solely you.

FYI Conners is a trained physicist who is vastly more educated than your anonymous YT quran miracle videos.

 

[Godobeyer]

You are just upset that you are often a target. This is because you continuously make horrible claims, openly display your lack of education and rely upon sources which are equally ignorant as you are. You are called out for your horrible arguments then react negatively as if opposition is anti-Islam rather than attacking your reasoning. You then project this discomfort as an attack on Islam as you are unable to separate your personal view from Islam and treat your personal views as if synonymous with Islam. You are doing nothing more than projecting yourself on to Islam. Besides there are Muslims that have criticized your arguments for the same reasons as I have. They have a similar conclusion as I have namely uneducated people make grand claims but know nothing about what they are talking about.

Neither are justified criteria for rejecting a view. You are just upset thus your point is emotional not rational thus an emotional bias. Beside I doubt you accept any opinion which does not in some way support your bias.

The problem is solely you.

FYI Conners is a trained physicist who is vastly more educated than your anonymous YT quran miracle videos.

You missed the origin cause
I am upset also from your too blah blah

 

[Kirran]

It seems that many people identifying as creationist say that life has been created in its present forms. So we might say that evolution and creationism are being set at odds to one another as means by which to explain the present diversity of lifeforms, rather than the emergence of their common ancestor's lineage.

 

[Godobeyer]

The numerals 1234567890 were adopted from the Indians by the Arabs. Just to mention - Arabic numerals they are not. The system was developed in India around 500 AD, and then in the 800s became known by Persian and Arab mathematicians. Becoming established in Baghdad, it spread further into Europe and the Middle East, with the particular shapes we use in European-derived alphabets being derived from those as drawn by the North Africa. In Syria during the 900s the system was extended to include fractions, so that was very good, well done mathematicians of 10th Century Syria.

So there's that. Indian numerals.

This is how they're written in Devanagari script - ०.१.२.३.४.५.६.७.८.९
Here in Eastern Arabic - ٠‎ - ١‎ - ٢‎ - ٣‎ -٤‎ - ٥‎ - ٦‎ - ٧‎ - ٨‎ - ٩

Personally, I like the Chinese, which is unrelated -
○ 一 二 三 四 五 六 七 八 九 十

Ling Yi Er San Si Wu Liu Qi Ba Jiao Shi

You seems forgot that India was belong to Muslims in past

Arabic numerals, also called Hindu-Arabic[1][2] or Hindu numerals,[3]are the ten digits: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, based on the Hindu–Arabic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

 

[Kirran]

You seems forgot that India was belong to Muslims in past

Arabic numerals, also called Hindu-Arabic[1][2] or Hindu numerals,[3]are the ten digits: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, based on the Hindu–Arabic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

In 500 AD? Certainly not. There weren't any Muslims.

Any attempt to claim this numeral system as some Arabic invention is nothing short of ignorant ethnic nationalism.

 

[Godobeyer]

In 500 AD? Certainly not. There weren't any Muslims.

Any attempt to claim this numeral system as some Arabic invention is nothing short of ignorant ethnic nationalism.

The Arabs developped that system to be perfect.
That's why called Arabic numbers or Arabic-hindu numbers.

 

[Kirran]

The Arabs developped that system to be perfect.
That's why called Arabic numbers or Arabic-hindu numbers.

I wouldn't say it's perfect, I think the Chinese system's better.

They did include the fractional system, although by the time they did that it was already in Europe anyway. The system was called the Arabic numeral system because the Europeans got it from the Arabs. But Arabs did not invent it.

 

[Godobeyer]

I wouldn't say it's perfect, I think the Chinese system's better.

They did include the fractional system, although by the time they did that it was already in Europe anyway. The system was called the Arabic numeral system because the Europeans got it from the Arabs. But Arabs did not invent it.

hindu probably invent it, Muslims adopted it developped it., and used it in math and sciences.

http://classroom.synonym.com/arabic-numbers-were-invented-6959.html

 

[Kirran]

hindu probably invent it, Muslims adopted it developped it., and used it in math and sciences.

http://classroom.synonym.com/arabic-numbers-were-invented-6959.html

The Hindu identity didn't really exist at the time, but yeah that group were the ones to invent it and use it. Then it spread to the Islamic world, where it was also used. From there it spread to Europe.

 

[Godobeyer]

The Hindu identity didn't really exist at the time, but yeah that group were the ones to invent it and use it. Then it spread to the Islamic world, where it was also used. From there it spread to Europe.

Seems the Muslims really developped it

 

[Kirran]

Seems the Muslims really developped it

The Maghrebis changed the shapes used a bit, bringing them to what we have today. Anybody reasonable would agree that that's a pretty insignificant part of what makes the system. The fractions and decimal places were of far more importance, those were certainly contributions by Muslim mathematicians to the system.

 

[Shad]

You missed the origin cause

Irrelevant as I was showing you that your miracle arguments are rejected by Muslims not merely me. The original cause being God is not a scientific theory so your point is moot.

I am upset also from your too blah blah

Emotions are not a basis for rejecting such arguments.

 

[Godobeyer]

Irrelevant as I was showing you that your miracle arguments are rejected by Muslims not merely me. The origin cause being God is not a scientific theory so your point is moot.



Emotions are not a basis for rejecting such arguments.

What's arguments you expect from your "anti" rude people ?