What's purpose to lable this DIR"Evolution Vs. Creationism"

[Kirran]

Who are these Muslims scholars?
Accept it as what?
As update of same kind or change of kind or origin of life?

Ghulam Ahmed Pervez, Edip Yuksel, TO Shanavas who wrote a book about it "Islamic Theory of Evolution: the Missing Link between Darwin and the Origin of Species"

There's a long tradition of accepting evolution in Turkey in particular, dating back well into the Ottoman period. Current polls indicate some Islamic countries have very high rates of acceptance of human evolution (79% in Kazakhstan, 25% in Turkey, 30% in Pakistan etc).

And also, on top of that, the Ahmadiyya movement accepts evolution.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Also much of parts of theory of evolution. Are not scientific facts!

Do you think should not we taught that parts?

The Theory of Evolution stands as it does because its assertions are supported by continuous scientific observation & experimentation. If aspects of the theory were contradicted by observations & experiments then these aspects would be changed. If enough aspects were shown to be incorrect then the Theory as a whole could be called into question and either edited wholesale or discarded.

 

[sayak83]

Change of kind not proved.that just theory not fact.
What theory said human was apes, from my information Darwin and top evolutionists never admit that!

Scientific theories are more certain than just facts.
Humans evolved from non-human ancestral apes.
You deny evolution. That's a basic fact.

 

[Godobeyer]

Scientific theories are more certain than just facts.
Humans evolved from non-human ancestral apes.
You deny evolution. That's a basic fact.

There is not prove that humans evolved from apes. that just your claim.
For my information top evolutionists don't claim this either.
and Darwin never said that.

 

[Godobeyer]

The Theory of Evolution stands as it does because its assertions are supported by continuous scientific observation & experimentation. If aspects of the theory were contradicted by observations & experiments then these aspects would be changed. If enough aspects were shown to be incorrect then the Theory as a whole could be called into question and either edited wholesale or discarded.

There was/is lot of theories of evolution.

I am talking when they talking about the past(historic).
there is much unsure claims. (creation or change of kind). not proved, so it's about guess Not scientific facts.

For present, yes the scientists proved natural/sexual selection on the ground between species.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

There is not prove that humans evolved from apes. that just your claim.
For my information top evolutionists don't claim this either.
and Darwin never said that.

It's actually wrong to say humans evolved from apes because in reality humans & modern apes both evolved from common ancestral species.

 

[Godobeyer]

Ghulam Ahmed Pervez, Edip Yuksel, TO Shanavas who wrote a book about it "Islamic Theory of Evolution: the Missing Link between Darwin and the Origin of Species"
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This my point of this thread !

What the link between the origin of species and theory of evolution ?!!
Since evolution apparently had nothing to do with origin of life.


What's the concept/goal to accept evolution ?
especially when it's talks about claims of past ?

 

[Godobeyer]

It's actually wrong to say humans evolved from apes because in reality humans & modern apes both evolved from common ancestral species.

I did not say that. it's @sayak83 claim.


I don't think it's for certain true.

it's could there were others kinds similiare to us, they just extincted like millions of kinds got extincted before.

 

[Kirran]

This my point of this thread !

What the link between the origin of species and theory of evolution ?!!
Since evolution apparently had nothing to do with origin of life.


What's the concept/goal to accept evolution ?
especially when it's talks about claims of past ?

Why are you going off on a tangent?

Godobeyer if you wanna learn about evolution go and pick up a textbook, get educated. It's a scientific subject and it's available to you if you want.

 

[Godobeyer]

Why are you going off on a tangent?

Godobeyer if you wanna learn about evolution go and pick up a textbook, get educated. It's a scientific subject and it's available to you if you want.

I am learning about evolution, yes it's available , I am not convinced about all claims they"theories" proposed, just claims,not facts. especially when it's try to talk about past.

 

[Kirran]

I am learning about evolution, yes it's available , I am not convinced about all claims they"theories" proposed, just claims,not facts. especially when it's try to talk about past.

OK - so what do you make of Muslims believing in evolution?

 

[sayak83]

There is not prove that humans evolved from apes. that just your claim.
For my information top evolutionists don't claim this either.
and Darwin never said that.

It's actually wrong to say humans evolved from apes because in reality humans & modern apes both evolved from common ancestral species.

The ancestral species (the lineage that was the last common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees) was also an ape. Humans evolved from ancient non-human apes is the correct way to state this.

 

[Godobeyer]

The ancestral species (the lineage that was the last common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees) was also an ape. Humans evolved from ancient non-human apes is the correct way to state this.

I don't buy this.
Is not there a possibility they just extincted,as others millions of species ?

 

[sayak83]

I don't buy this.
Is not there a possibility they just extincted,as others millions of species ?

No. See my thread on the Science of Human Evolution.
Here the point is since you do not accept these things you do not accept evolution.

 

[Godobeyer]

OK - so what do you make of Muslims believing in evolution?

As lable to mention to changes in same specie,we had no problem in that.

Btw,Believe in it for what purpose?

 

[Godobeyer]

No. See my thread on the Science of Human Evolution.
Here the point is since you do not accept these things you do not accept evolution.

So why dont accept the others opinions?

Evolution theories are updating,which one I should accept ?

 

[Godobeyer]

I mean there is many theories chaneged by time some of them( in general) are not valid anymore such Darwin.

 

[sayak83]

So why dont accept the others opinions?

Evolution theories are updating,which one I should accept ?

The only one that science considers true. There is no difference of opinion here. Scotsman was simply using a slightly different way to say the same thing. Humans did not evolve for modern non-humans apes, but did evolve from ancient non-human apes. Ask him if he agrees,

 

[Kirran]

As lable to mention to changes in same specie,we had no problem in that.

Btw,Believe in it for what purpose?

If you looked at any of the people and groups I mentioned there, or researched this at all, you'd see there are plenty of Muslims who accept the evolution of humans. Surveys show that 25% of Turkish people accept the evolution of humans. There's no way in which this is a viewpoint just for atheists.

For what purpose? How do you mean?

 

[Godobeyer]

The only one that science considers true. There is no difference of opinion here. Scotsman was simply using a slightly different way to say the same thing. Humans did not evolve for modern non-humans apes, but did evolve from ancient non-human apes. Ask him if he agrees,

In theories,science can't prove if its facts or not.
Especially when its about guess about past.or future.

Its not forcelly admits names, its probably other kinds similaire to us just extincted.

There are birds extincted there are birds still alive or in way of extinction.