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What's the biggest slap to God's face?

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Is not worshipping any God preferable? (not a trick question by the way, just curious)

Response: Not in islam. In islam, not worshipping Allah(swt) is disliked by Allah.(swt). However, if one does not believe in Allah (swt) yet still has an open-mind in accepting Allah(swt) as God, then Allah(swt) is more merciful to them, then to one who rejects Him completely.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Fatihah,

Response: Not at all. I am stating that there is no God but Allah.

Can you now point out what is it that the word God means which does not men Allah?

Love & rgds
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Friend Fatihah,



Can you now point out what is it that the word God means which does not men Allah?

Love & rgds

Response: I'm afraid I'm not sure what you are asking. So I'll just give an answer and if it does not suffice, please say so and I'll try to clarify.

There are many beings other than Allah(swt) who are considered God in other religions. By God, I mean the supreme being who is the originator of the universe, life itself, and all that exists. In islam, that supreme being (God) is Allah(swt).
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Fatihah,

Thank you for your response.

There are many beings other than Allah(swt) who are considered God in other religions. By God, I mean the supreme being who is the originator of the universe, life itself, and all that exists. In islam, that supreme being (God) is Allah(swt).
NOW; could you clearly state what you have in mind when you state "There are many beings other than Allah[swt] who are considered God in other religions" ??

Love & rgds
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
Response: Not in islam. In islam, not worshipping Allah(swt) is disliked by Allah.(swt). However, if one does not believe in Allah (swt) yet still has an open-mind in accepting Allah(swt) as God, then Allah(swt) is more merciful to them, then to one who rejects Him completely.
Fair enough, cheers for the answer.
 

Gabethewiking

Active Member
Response: I'm afraid I'm not sure what you are asking. So I'll just give an answer and if it does not suffice, please say so and I'll try to clarify.

There are many beings other than Allah(swt) who are considered God in other religions. By God, I mean the supreme being who is the originator of the universe, life itself, and all that exists. In islam, that supreme being (God) is Allah(swt).

It would be nice if Allah (swt) would show himself so I could believe/accept his existence. Do you know if there is a chance he will do this for us Atheist/Secularist wanting reality based proof?
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Friend Fatihah,

Thank you for your response.


NOW; could you clearly state what you have in mind when you state "There are many beings other than Allah[swt] who are considered God in other religions" ??

Love & rgds

Response: I'm having a hard time understanding what you are not understanding, thus making it difficult for me to give an explanation. You'll have to explain what is is you don't understand. If what you've quoted of me is not clear, than I have no idea how to make it clearer, being that it is written in the most simple of english.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
It would be nice if Allah (swt) would show himself so I could believe/accept his existence. Do you know if there is a chance he will do this for us Atheist/Secularist wanting reality based proof?

Response: Allah(swt) reveals himself through signs and miracles, miracles which are clear signs for all to know.
 

Gabethewiking

Active Member
Response: Allah(swt) reveals himself through signs and miracles, miracles which are clear signs for all to know.


I Never seen any of these signs, I travelled the world, I done things most people would never do and so on, Never has any of these miracles been shown to me, Why? Does your god hate me? Whats going on?
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
I Never seen any of these signs, I travelled the world, I done things most people would never do and so on, Never has any of these miracles been shown to me, Why? Does your god hate me? Whats going on?

Response: There is a sign in which you can see right now as we speak. That sign is explained in the qur 'an. In the qur'an we read:

"Will they not, then, meditate upon the qur'an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy".

"And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to our servant, then produce a chapter like it,and call upon your helpers beside Allah, if you are truthful."

Here, we have two tests which proves that the qur'an is the true revelation of Allah to Muhammad(saw). If you disagree, then prove it wrong. Prove that there is error in the qur'an, and produce a chapter like the qur'an. We muslims accept that it is humanly impossible to produce the qur'an, thus proving that it is not the work of man, but the work of Allah. Again, if you disagree, then produce a chapter like the qur'an. Once you do so and fail, then you will come to realize that it is the work of Allah, thus proving that Allah does exist.
 

Gabethewiking

Active Member
Response: There is a sign in which you can see right now as we speak. That sign is explained in the qur 'an. In the qur'an we read:

"Will they not, then, meditate upon the qur'an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy".

"And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to our servant, then produce a chapter like it,and call upon your helpers beside Allah, if you are truthful."

Here, we have two tests which proves that the qur'an is the true revelation of Allah to Muhammad(saw). If you disagree, then prove it wrong. Prove that there is error in the qur'an, and produce a chapter like the qur'an. We muslims accept that it is humanly impossible to produce the qur'an, thus proving that it is not the work of man, but the work of Allah. Again, if you disagree, then produce a chapter like the qur'an. Once you do so and fail, then you will come to realize that it is the work of Allah, thus proving that Allah does exist.

I am sorry, you have provided nothing.
You said we can see Allah, so I asked you, why haven't I seen him? You tell me I can see him.. Well? I am waiting? Your quoting the Quran is not evidence for anything, you can quote Harry Potter as well but it wont change anything, I still have not seen any evidence nor has there any been Any evidence for Any gods in Human History.

The only thing I seen is people claiming to see god, claiming that there is proof for god but do not provide any, claiming that everything is proof for god meaning nothing as no evidence has been provided and so on and on and on.

If your god exist, PROVIDE EVIDENCE, if you say that I can 'see him', SHOW ME, show this god to me then, I am waiting, that you say he exist mean nothing, thisis the real world, SHOW that he exist else your words are just that, Words, no more then Harry Potter and Harry Potter exist JUST like your God exist, for real, because I read the Books so therefore it is true.. Right?

Comeone, Show us the evidence or make your god show himself to me, I am sitting at Starbucks now, make him come around here, just outside maybe, waving?
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
I am sorry, you have provided nothing.
You said we can see Allah, so I asked you, why haven't I seen him? You tell me I can see him.. Well? I am waiting? Your quoting the Quran is not evidence for anything, you can quote Harry Potter as well but it wont change anything, I still have not seen any evidence nor has there any been Any evidence for Any gods in Human History.

The only thing I seen is people claiming to see god, claiming that there is proof for god but do not provide any, claiming that everything is proof for god meaning nothing as no evidence has been provided and so on and on and on.

If your god exist, PROVIDE EVIDENCE, if you say that I can 'see him', SHOW ME, show this god to me then, I am waiting, that you say he exist mean nothing, thisis the real world, SHOW that he exist else your words are just that, Words, no more then Harry Potter and Harry Potter exist JUST like your God exist, for real, because I read the Books so therefore it is true.. Right?

Comeone, Show us the evidence or make your god show himself to me, I am sitting at Starbucks now, make him come around here, just outside maybe, waving?

Response: First off, I never said that you could see God or I could show him to you. So that is a moot point. What I say is that I can prove that Allah exists. I provided a test which proves so. So what do you do? You neither prove that the test is not proof nor did you make an attempt. Thus your own actions show clear denial to the fact that Allah exist.
 

Gabethewiking

Active Member
Response: First off, I never said that you could see God or I could show him to you. So that is a moot point. What I say is that I can prove that Allah exists. I provided a test which proves so. So what do you do? You neither prove that the test is not proof nor did you make an attempt. Thus your own actions show clear denial to the fact that Allah exist.

Please explain how your example would prove Allah existence.
 

Gabethewiking

Active Member
It must be a George Michael thing...


It is funny, I remember when George was in Wham! and, obviously, Homosexual (if you weren't blind), and yet everyone got surprised when he came out... Weird.. You gotta have Faith .. dam dam dam da da.... (I've had that song in my head for two weeks, It must be the world wide tour promotion Georgies songs on the radio).
 
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