Atheisttillprovenwrong
Lover of Science
of course i have. I didnt care for him, or any of the people running in the last election.
I just think it rather stupid to vote a "junior" senator into the most powerful office in the world.
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Whats the deal with obummer?
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of course i have. I didnt care for him, or any of the people running in the last election.
I just think it rather stupid to vote a "junior" senator into the most powerful office in the world.
When you consider how the whole world thought about GWB, we where not going to win this last election. It was not about McCain and Palin, it was about our last administration.
When Hillary spoke during the election, you would think that GWB was running for a third term.
Actually, Obama was a lessor of evils. Race may have been a factor, but not the deciding factor. Saying black folks vote for blacks may be true when you speak about Barack, but if we would have had our last two Secretary of states running on the Republican ticket against say, Hillary...... Your theory would have been debunked.
BHO is the best thing that could have happened to the Republican party. We where doomed to lose the last election anyway. Who better to beat in the next Presidential election than a junior senator do nothing President?
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Thank you, Kathryn. I didn't want to burst the bubble.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
I just find it amusing that many who will argue that Obama was elected largely on race will also deny any racial factors in some of the baseless attacks upon him.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Actually, I am a fairly shrewd political analyst who chooses his battles carefully. This whole thread smelled of death before it got too far, so I felt no need to weigh in with my opinion beyond what I have already offered. My comments were designed as a none-too-subtle put-down and they achieved that goal in spades, no pun intended.
One could also argue that to fixate on this feature of his election is equally asinine. The point is, I have not given my opinion on this matter. I would argue that Charlie the Tuna stood a good chance of being elected after George W was put out to pasture. The fact is that America was so desperate for change that they decided to go with a person with little experience is extremely telling. It was a wake-up call to the Republican and Democrat machinery that America was fed up with their antics. The Democrats should rejoice that Obama did not decide to run as an independent.
I would suggest that there are more definitive psychological reasons why Afro-American voters are still pleased with Obama rather than being clear political reasons, but perhaps, that is just me. As to using a few of McCain's ideas, that is a standard in politics and is often used to defang an opponent. It is remarkable that anyone would even think this significant.
I feel no need for respect from any quarter. The thing is that I haven't seen a great deal of political knowledge issuing forth for many others in this thread either, but you seem ok with that. How amusing it is to me that your thinking has been buttressed by a very naive 16 year old. That doesn't bode well.
Then perhaps you should sit up and realize that some of us appeal to higher standards of discussion. If you simply want to "low brow" your way through these discussions, feel free, just don't expect much meaningful participation save from those suffering from your own inconsequential and slightly jaundiced views.
It is a great pity that you cannot hear me saying these comments to you as that would add a rather delicious element to my words that are completely lost due to the medium of forum discussions.
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Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Abraham Lincoln, perhaps our most brilliant president, had only served a single term in Congress before he took office. Experience counts, and that should be a factor in judging a politician's qualification for an office. However, there are plenty of politicians with far more experience who would clearly have far less political sense and intelligence. Obama has generally gotten high marks for his performance in office so far, unless of course you just listen to US right wing media sources.
T-Dawg
Self-appointed Lunatic
Would Obama have really stood a chance had he not run democrat? If so, why did he run democrat when he knew he had the power to break the two-party system?
I'm not sure whether this was a response to my post, but I'll assume it was: You completely missed what my post was talking about. Read it again. It had absolutely nothing to do with Obama using McCain's policies. The post was about a survey that was done in which a summary of McCain's policies was shown to people who had voted for Obama, and the surveyor told the people that they were Obama's policies. Most of the people said that they liked those policies, because they were from Obama (even though they were really McCain's policies). This suggests that they voted by something other than policies (whether it was race, age, gender, or whatever they voted by, is another debate).
If we're going to make fun of me for my age, maybe I should point out that Obama was what, half the age of McCain? Yet McCain was not twice as intelligent as Obama, in fact, I doubt he was even half as intelligent, from what I know of him. And naive? What a baseless accusation. I'm the least naive 16-year old I know. In fact, I'm probably the least naive person I know in real life.
And I'm not buttressing his views, the only thing I've done in this thread so far is state that Obama obviously wasn't elected for his policies and that the "race card" was frequently used as a propaganda technique, and I pointed out people who aren't contributing to the thread.
Well, thanks for giving your opinion. I see your point now. Although the personal attacks on people are getting rather annoying...
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YamiB.
Active Member
He's still in the category that would have historically been discriminated against in our country so it's still seen as significant and I would wager that many black people see him as one of their own. It still seems that we practice the idea of hypodescent in relation to black people in this country.
Of course it helps when the junior senator has better policy positions than the more experienced McCain.
If you look at the last presidential election probably the person that had the most executive experience was Sarah Palin and she would have obviously been a horrible choice for the office.
The GOP certainly doesn't seem to be capitalizing on the supposed advantage Obama gave them considering how they've acted since the election.
You seriously consider him a do-nothing President?
Smoke
Done here.
Move the goalposts much? You said:
Then grow up and communicate in a serious and adult manner.
Smoke
Done here.
No U.S. senator, junior or otherwise, has much chance of being elected President of China.
If you're too dark to get served at Denny's, you're black in America.
Look at African-American voting trends and it becomes obvious that an overwhelming majority vote Democrat. And seeing as Obama is our first black president, it can't be because all those Democrat presidential contenders were black.
African-American Voting Patterns
"The United States Census reported that 58 % of African Americans were voting in the presidential election of 1964. African Americans were voting Democratic 82% of the time. This number would swell to 92 % by 1968. With the exception of the 1972, 1984, and the 1992 elections Blacks would continue to give at least 80% of their collective votes to the Democratic presidential candidate says Minion K.C. Morris in African Americans and Political Participation."
2004 Election
88% of African-Americans voted for John Kerry.
2008 Election
CNN reported 96% of African-Americans voted for Obama and the Economist reported 95%.
The 2009 percentage really isn't that big of a jump from normal black voting patterns. It even seems reasonable to assume that the jump can be accounted for the same way the jump is accounted for among whites-- Obama wasn't Bush.
Do you have anything else supporting your contention that black people only voted for Obama because he's black? Does your claim even seem reasonable now that you see that African-Americans historically vote overwhelmingly Democrat?
African-American Voting Patterns
"The United States Census reported that 58 % of African Americans were voting in the presidential election of 1964. African Americans were voting Democratic 82% of the time. This number would swell to 92 % by 1968. With the exception of the 1972, 1984, and the 1992 elections Blacks would continue to give at least 80% of their collective votes to the Democratic presidential candidate says Minion K.C. Morris in African Americans and Political Participation."
2004 Election
88% of African-Americans voted for John Kerry.
2008 Election
CNN reported 96% of African-Americans voted for Obama and the Economist reported 95%.
The 2009 percentage really isn't that big of a jump from normal black voting patterns. It even seems reasonable to assume that the jump can be accounted for the same way the jump is accounted for among whites-- Obama wasn't Bush.
Do you have anything else supporting your contention that black people only voted for Obama because he's black? Does your claim even seem reasonable now that you see that African-Americans historically vote overwhelmingly Democrat?
Rain Drops
Member
Obama is 48. Not exactly young. Although politically he was a junior Senator.
I think a fresh perspective will be good. Far better than someone so experienced that they have made so many back room deals that they are a puppet.
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
opposed to a politician from anywhere else?:biglaugh:
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
If that is true, And 75% of the black population continue to vote in elections, they are going to be the major factor in all future presidential elections.
White hopefuls are going to have to take better care of black interests.
Not before time perhaps.
It is not the percentage of Blacks who vote democrate that matters ( that is always high) but how many turn out to vote on the day.
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McBell
Unbound
Seems to me she got Chicago mixed up with Texas.....
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
There was a program last night on the BBC It was about the genetic advantage of being mixed race. It turned out that the greatest health advantage ( this included mental health) came from first generation mixes of Black african and white european.
The most mixed country was Brazil where it is hard to find any single raced people. The UK was the european country with the highest percentage of mixed race.
It seems Obama has some inbuilt genetic advantages.
The most mixed country was Brazil where it is hard to find any single raced people. The UK was the european country with the highest percentage of mixed race.
It seems Obama has some inbuilt genetic advantages.
What has he accomplished? He got the stimulus bill passed. That's working real well.......Not!
Perhaps I have over looked something?