McBell
Unbound
Yes, it is a shame that Obama has not pulled a GW and ran full steam ahead; laws, truth, facts, due process be damned!
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Whats the deal with obummer?
- Thread starter Atheisttillprovenwrong
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YamiB.
Active Member
Well the stimulus was a bit of a mixed bag, although I don't know how you could consider such an important bill to be nothing.
PolitiFact | The Obameter: Obama's Campaign Promises that are Promise Kept
There's a bit of a list of other things he's done.
McBell
Unbound
Now why would you want to go and ruin his day with facts?
Engyo
Prince of Dorkness!
Yup, you should never let the facts distract you from your issues.
YamiB.
Active Member
I'm not completely positive, but I think Bush actually did a little less in his first year than Obama. I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing but I think that he set a smaller and more specific agenda.
I would still agree with your assessment in say the area of military conflict.
Atheisttillprovenwrong
Lover of Science
i do have to agree on that.
And it seems that some people may have misunderstood what i said.
I said that him being black was one of the sole reason that some blacks voted for him
I did not say, nor do i think, that he was voted into office solely because he was black.
And to the person that said the comment about him being half white, let me ask you a question.
which phrase have you heard more?
"the first african american president"
or
"the first half white, half black president"?
point being, that hes considered black by the majority of the population.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
In the OP, you stated that what you were going to say might sound racist. You probably should have listened to that alarm bell instead of tuning it out. Most of the people who voted for Obama were not first time African American voters, and lots of people voted against him purely because of his race. So what you said tended to skew the discussion towards race rather than a serious critical evaluation of his record in office.
That is true, but you miscalculated the importance of race in the election. American voters seem largely to have gotten past that particular issue, although it still gets its traditional obsessive focus from the press, infotainment industry, and blogosphere.
Yes, but is that really WHY he was elected? Logically, race has little to do with why he was elected or his performance in office, but you have mixed that into the discussion. He actually is an intelligent, charismatic politician. People like him, and they like his vision for the future. You could argue that he was elected in spite of his race, but that would still be calling attention to an unimportant factor in his performance in office.
Come on! If you read this site, it would lead you to believe that Barack Obama has kept every campaign promise he ever made.
I'm waiting on Gitmo to be closed.
What happened to watching the health care meetings on C-span?
How about DADT being abolished?
Posting a bill for 72 hours before voting on it? I don't remember the stimulus bill being posted before the vote. We needed to hurry on that one, but 6 months later most of the money is still in the governments hands. Countless banks have failed and unemployment is almost 10%. I thought we would hold the line @ 8%. WHERE ARE THE JOBS AND HOW MUCH PER JOB HAS IT COST TAX PAYERS?
Homeland security still listens to phone calls without warrants.
What about lobbyists being appointed to his staff?
What about his promise to our service men and women in Afghanistan? He said he would not leave them there without needed support.
What about Iraq? When exactly are troops leaving?
I'm waiting on Gitmo to be closed.
What happened to watching the health care meetings on C-span?
How about DADT being abolished?
Posting a bill for 72 hours before voting on it? I don't remember the stimulus bill being posted before the vote. We needed to hurry on that one, but 6 months later most of the money is still in the governments hands. Countless banks have failed and unemployment is almost 10%. I thought we would hold the line @ 8%. WHERE ARE THE JOBS AND HOW MUCH PER JOB HAS IT COST TAX PAYERS?
Homeland security still listens to phone calls without warrants.
What about lobbyists being appointed to his staff?
What about his promise to our service men and women in Afghanistan? He said he would not leave them there without needed support.
What about Iraq? When exactly are troops leaving?
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Finally someone else agrees that Obama only got elected because he's black, and only won the Nobel Prize because he's black. I thought I was the only one.
Wow, that's crazy! I didn't even realize that. You're telling me a black president is more popular with black people than with white people? Next thing you'll be trying to tell me is that white people are more likely to vote for an old white guy! It's almost too much to believe!
atheiststillprovenwrong said:
Wow, that's crazy! I didn't even realize that. You're telling me a black president is more popular with black people than with white people? Next thing you'll be trying to tell me is that white people are more likely to vote for an old white guy! It's almost too much to believe!
McBell
Unbound
way to move the goal posts.
Of course, if you had presented this list the first time, instead of making the asinine claim of nothing getting done, you likely could have salvaged your credibility.....
Well, it was a dishonest search about campaign promises kept. I guess they where looking for something they agreed with.
Sound familiar?
Both sides play the same game, one side gets called out for it.
It is the next step of discrediting the person's character and therefore anything they say should be ignored because "they are not grounded with the facts and down right ignore them".
That's lame. Just because you disagree with someone does not make you right all the time and them wrong.
I moved the goal posts? No, it would kill you to admit that I made a valid point in response to accusations that I am the one who ignores the facts.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I don't mean that it directly affects the President, though of course the more states who elect Republicans or Independents over Democrat candidates, the more impact on the Democrat Party and of course the Presidency will be felt.
I think we are in for an interesting ride.
LET THE PEOPLE SPEAK.
I think we are in for an interesting ride.
LET THE PEOPLE SPEAK.
Engyo
Prince of Dorkness!
Yup, kinda like the ancient Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times
McBell
Unbound
What a load of bull ****.Well, it was a dishonest search about campaign promises kept. I guess they where looking for something they agreed with.
Sound familiar?
Both sides play the same game, one side gets called out for it.
It is the next step of discrediting the person's character and therefore anything they say should be ignored because "they are not grounded with the facts and down right ignore them".
That's lame. Just because you disagree with someone does not make you right all the time and them wrong.
I moved the goal posts? No, it would kill you to admit that I made a valid point in response to accusations that I am the one who ignores the facts.
Now you have the problem of you past posts.
YamiB.
Active Member
Well, it was a dishonest search about campaign promises kept. I guess they where looking for something they agreed with.
Sound familiar?
Both sides play the same game, one side gets called out for it.
It is the next step of discrediting the person's character and therefore anything they say should be ignored because "they are not grounded with the facts and down right ignore them".
That's lame. Just because you disagree with someone does not make you right all the time and them wrong.
I moved the goal posts? No, it would kill you to admit that I made a valid point in response to accusations that I am the one who ignores the facts.
Yes, you certainly did move the goal posts and didn't make any valid points.
You claimed Obama was a do-nothing president. I provided a list of promises kept, a quick and easy way to show that he had been doing something. A list of promises that have been broken or not fulfilled yet in no way proves you right or disproves the point I was making.
Since you haven't bothered to actually support your point yet are you going to admit you were wrong?