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whats your beef with brexit?

Notanumber

A Free Man
No, Blair has never been forgiven for going to war.

If Blair has never been forgiven for going to war, why is this new independent group allowing him to call the shots?

But his stance on Brexit is not far from mine.

I hope you are not admitting that you would go behind the back of your own country and help the opposition in these negotiations.

Money to UKIP - they'll be able to purchase some knuckle dusters.
As an aside, I've never given any money to any political party.

I had never even joined a political party before I realised what a shambles with have in power at present, but needs must.

Metaphorical knuckle-dusters are what we need to help us combat Rompuy’s knives.

I hope you will be able to trumpet all the improvements that will be seen on 30th March.
I look forward to all the extra money we'll have.

Some of us do not worship money. We value other things such as freedom and independence.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
That is very unlikely but if we stay in, we will be shackled to the EU’s ball & chain for the rest of our lives.

Let me quote you

I have no need to because I don’t wear blinkers.

Then consider the number of jobs already moved to europe, the company's who have not accepted the bribes to stay and are planning to leave the UK?

Isolation from your trading neighbours in europe and those outside europe who would prefer to trade with 700 million people as opposed to less than 1/10th of that customer base

The majority of food consumed in the uk is grown in europe, as for food grown outside europe see above paragraph. The majority of meat slaughtered in the UK is consumed in europe. Around 90% of abattoirs have stayed they cannot afford to continue without europe.

Health, the government are already stockpiling medicine that will not be available under a no deal scenario, what happens when the stockpile of cancer (and more) medication runs out? Also the NHS is already understaffed partly because the employee base is east european and asian, many have already left leaving a crisis situation that shows no signs of improvement.

Not blinkered? Sheesh
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Then consider the number of jobs already moved to europe, the company's who have not accepted the bribes to stay and are planning to leave the UK?

Isolation from your trading neighbours in europe and those outside europe who would prefer to trade with 700 million people as opposed to less than 1/10th of that customer base

The majority of food consumed in the uk is grown in europe, as for food grown outside europe see above paragraph. The majority of meat slaughtered in the UK is consumed in europe. Around 90% of abattoirs have stayed they cannot afford to continue without europe.

Health, the government are already stockpiling medicine that will not be available under a no deal scenario, what happens when the stockpile of cancer (and more) medication runs out? Also the NHS is already understaffed partly because the employee base is east european and asian, many have already left leaving a crisis situation that shows no signs of improvement.

Not blinkered? Sheesh
Not to mention the leading Brexiteers moving abroad or moving their assetts abroad.
Charlatans, the lot of them
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Let me quote you



Then consider the number of jobs already moved to europe, the company's who have not accepted the bribes to stay and are planning to leave the UK?

Isolation from your trading neighbours in europe and those outside europe who would prefer to trade with 700 million people as opposed to less than 1/10th of that customer base

The majority of food consumed in the uk is grown in europe, as for food grown outside europe see above paragraph. The majority of meat slaughtered in the UK is consumed in europe. Around 90% of abattoirs have stayed they cannot afford to continue without europe.

Health, the government are already stockpiling medicine that will not be available under a no deal scenario, what happens when the stockpile of cancer (and more) medication runs out? Also the NHS is already understaffed partly because the employee base is east european and asian, many have already left leaving a crisis situation that shows no signs of improvement.

Not blinkered? Sheesh

We can cope with all that and more if it ever happens but if we have any self-respect left, we will not be able to cope with vassalage.

We used to sing about Britons never, ever, ever being slaves.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
We can cope with all that and more if it ever happens but if we have any self-respect left, we will not be able to cope with vassalage.

We used to sing about Britons never, ever, ever being slaves.
It is not about 'coping'; in the lead up to the referendum we were promised riches and a land of milk and honey - you're not saying these were lies?

But we will still get a Blue Passport
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I think you will find that it is the Remoaners that keep harping on about that.

Have you any examples of Leavers even mentioning it in passing?
Do The Sun, The Daily Mail and The Daily Express not count?

Here is The Sun's take on it...
UK gets its iconic blue passport back in stunning Brexit victory for The Sun

Immigration Minister Brandon Lewis said: “One of the most iconic things about being British is having a British passport.”
True blue Tory Michael Fabricant spoke of his joy at the news
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
We can cope with all that and more if it ever happens but if we have any self-respect left, we will not be able to cope with vassalage.

We used to sing about Britons never, ever, ever being slaves.

I do hope you can cope, i have friends there, but i seriously doubt it as do most of the political and economic analyst's world wide.

Blinkers

Yet britain has been subject to Romans, Vikings. Saxons and Normans. And is ruled by Germans.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
The EU Sting. We don’t need Paul Newman and Robert Redford to pull the wool over our eyes.

They have been trying to stitch up the British population right from the start.


Are we going to leave without the EU’s permission or are we going to remain as their lapdog?
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The EU Sting. We don’t need Paul Newman and Robert Redford to pull the wool over our eyes.

They have been trying to stitch up the British population right from the start.


Are we going to leave without the EU’s permission or are we going to remain as their lapdog?

So you compare the EU to a fantasy?


The paranoia is strong today.

Please define "stitch up" or is this just another movie fantasy?

You dont need the EUs permission, there was a referendum, dont you remember?
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
The difference is; they are serious, we are taking the p*ss

Was the 22nd December 2017 the last time it was mentioned other than on here?

Will our Remainer government backtrack on this promise as well?

“From October 2019, all new British passports will be issued in the dark blue colour that was once famous across the globe”
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
So you compare the EU to a fantasy?


The paranoia is strong today.

Please define "stitch up" or is this just another movie fantasy?

You dont need the EUs permission, there was a referendum, dont you remember?

No, the EU is a catastrophe.

The way our Remainer government has colluded with the EU is a stitch up and Phoney Blair and his followers have not helped the UK one bit.

With a Brexiteer government we wouldn’t, but with this Remainer government, Daniel believes that we do need the EU’s permission and it will be far worse if Parliament is crazy enough to vote for May’s deal. The only way out is WTO.

Call that a Referendum, Referendums should deliver on the will of the people.
 
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