whats your beef with brexit?

[Altfish]

Was the 22nd December 2017 the last time it was mentioned other than on here?

Will our Remainer government backtrack on this promise as well?

“From October 2019, all new British passports will be issued in the dark blue colour that was once famous across the globe”

And they still could have been when we were an EU member.
I always thought they were black anyway. I might request a purple one when we leave or at least get an EU themed cover

 

[ChristineM]

No, the EU is a catastrophe.

The way our Remainer government has colluded with the EU is a stitch up and Phoney Blair and his followers have not helped the UK one bit.

With a Brexiteer government we wouldn’t, but with this Remainer government, Daniel believes that we do need the EU’s permission and it will be far worse if Parliament is crazy enough to vote for May’s deal. The only way out is WTO.

Call that a Referendum, Referendums should deliver on the will of the people.

I sence a lot of hatred and bs in what you say, the uk gov and the eu have most certainly not colluded otherwise there would be an agreement. So where is this agreement?

Rather like the johnson and co lies eh? How are they helping the UK?

Someone believes .Wow such proof i have only ever seen in a fundimentalist.

Dont start that will of the people deception, its just another brexit lie. 63% of the population did not vote for brexit

Thats SIXTY THREE PERCENT, do you understand mathematics?

 

[Notanumber]

I sence a lot of hatred and bs in what you say, the uk gov and the eu have most certainly not colluded otherwise there would be an agreement. So where is this agreement?

Rather like the johnson and co lies eh? How are they helping the UK?

Someone believes .Wow such proof i have only ever seen in a fundimentalist.

Dont start that will of the people deception, its just another brexit lie. 63% of the population did not vote for brexit

Thats SIXTY THREE PERCENT, do you understand mathematics?

Your senses are failing you. The EU has that effect on those that can see no wrong in it.

Merkel is the puppeteer and since they got rid of David Davis and Dominic Raab she has had the UK dancing to her tune.

They should have dragged their selves out of their pit and staggered down to the Polling Station if they loved the EU that much instead of moaning about the result ever since they lost.

 

[Altfish]

Your senses are failing you. The EU has that effect on those that can see no wrong in it.

Merkel is the puppeteer and since they got rid of David Davis and Dominic Raab she has had the UK dancing to her tune.

They should have dragged their selves out of their pit and staggered down to the Polling Station if they loved the EU that much instead of moaning about the result ever since they lost.

How many times do we have to say "THERE IS A LOT WRONG WITH THE EU!!"
Remainers do not love the EU
BUT we realise that we are much better off in than out - In, so we can influence the way it heads and the rules it sets.
Now we will be meeting all their trading rules but having no influence over them.

I prefer Merkel to Rees Mogg, Farage or Johnson pulling the strings. OR more realistically Bannon and Putin pulling the strings

 

[Brickjectivity]

The UK was going to lose sovereignty. Half of you decided you wanted to remain a separate country. Half of you wanted to joint the EU and eventually become a single country. As a whole Britain didn't agree. People felt they were being hurried along, and they were. The EU was too grasping and aggressive. It therefore didn't work out. The thing is in the EU a no means yes.

 

[Altfish]

The UK was going to lose sovereignty. Half of you decided you wanted to remain a separate country. Half of you wanted to joint the EU and eventually become a single country. As a whole Britain didn't agree. People felt they were being hurried along, and they were. The EU was too grasping and aggressive. It therefore didn't work out. The thing is in the EU a no means yes.

What does 'Sovereignty' mean?

 

[ChristineM]

Your senses are failing you. The EU has that effect on those that can see no wrong in it.

Merkel is the puppeteer and since they got rid of David Davis and Dominic Raab she has had the UK dancing to her tune.

They should have dragged their selves out of their pit and staggered down to the Polling Station if they loved the EU that much instead of moaning about the result ever since they lost.

So you cannot produce an agreement? Thought not .more tinfoil hat delusion

Whether they voted or not makes no difference to the fact your ''will of the people" claim is total BULL

 

[Notanumber]

Jeff has some good news.

 

[Notanumber]

Gerard is an honest person and would make a great leader of the UK.

Moreover, this man would make a very good deputy.

 

[Notanumber]

Our Remainer Prime Minister is begging again.

 

[Altfish]

James O'Brien's thoughts on the stupidity of No-Deal

"People like Digby Jones are still making these claims that you've got to be able to walk away without ever acknowledging the most simple of simple facts.
The simplest simple fact in the land of Simple Facts.
When you walk away from any other negotiation, you walk back to where you started.

When you don't buy a new car, you drive home in your old car.
When you pull out of plans to buy a new house, you stay in your current home, whether you're in your Mum's settee or whether you are in a home you already own.
If you decide not to buy that food mixer, you go home.

You do not arrive in a brand new universe with no car, no house and no food mixer."

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Jeff has some good news.

Is it that the WTO are now holding elections?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The UK was going to lose sovereignty.

In what areas specifically and in what ways?

Half of you decided you wanted to remain a separate country. Half of you wanted to joint the EU and eventually become a single country.

Um, nope. That wasn't what the referendum was about. And the UK has long been a voice against European unification. By leaving we now make that possible future more likely.

As a whole Britain didn't agree.

"As a whole" makes it sound like the result was decisively in favour of one outcome or the other. It was not. You're also not considering the fact that while England & Wales voted to Leave, Gibraltar, Northern Ireland & Scotland all voted to Remain; with Scotland returning a majority in favour of Remain in every single constituency.

People felt they were being hurried along, and they were. The EU was too grasping and aggressive. It therefore didn't work out.

Grasping and aggressive with what exactly? You're forgetting that the UK, as a member, has a veto which it can use to stop moves towards a European superstate.

The thing is in the EU a no means yes.

Please provide a specific example of this.

 

[Notanumber]

James O'Brien's thoughts on the stupidity of No-Deal

"People like Digby Jones are still making these claims that you've got to be able to walk away without ever acknowledging the most simple of simple facts.
The simplest simple fact in the land of Simple Facts.
When you walk away from any other negotiation, you walk back to where you started.

When you don't buy a new car, you drive home in your old car.
When you pull out of plans to buy a new house, you stay in your current home, whether you're in your Mum's settee or whether you are in a home you already own.
If you decide not to buy that food mixer, you go home.

You do not arrive in a brand new universe with no car, no house and no food mixer."

This is a better example -

When someone has been a captive for decades and then finds that door to their cell has been unlocked and ajar, some would take the opportunity to escape while others would be too afraid to try.

 

[Altfish]

This is a better example -

When someone has been a captive for decades and then finds that door to their cell has been unlocked and ajar, some would take the opportunity to escape while others would be too afraid to try.

Me an my family have not been imprisoned, I am more restricted when we leave. No freedom to work in Europe, no free medical in Europe...yes we will be tethered when we leave.

 

[Notanumber]

Me an my family have not been imprisoned, I am more restricted when we leave. No freedom to work in Europe, no free medical in Europe...yes we will be tethered when we leave.

Have you never heard of Stockholm syndrome?

It is the very same principle.

What percentage of the UK population will be affected by no freedom to work in Europe and no free medical in Europe?

We have a major political party that keeps banging on about, for the many not the few.

 

[Flankerl]

The rest of the world is laughing at us because we handed our win over to duplicitous Remoaners.

Actually we laugh about you for a different reason.

 

[Notanumber]

Actually we laugh about you for a different reason.

They say that laughter is the best medicine so I hope it does you some good.

 

[Brickjectivity]

In what areas specifically and in what ways?




Um, nope. That wasn't what the referendum was about. And the UK has long been a voice against European unification. By leaving we now make that possible future more likely.




"As a whole" makes it sound like the result was decisively in favour of one outcome or the other. It was not. You're also not considering the fact that while England & Wales voted to Leave, Gibraltar, Northern Ireland & Scotland all voted to Remain; with Scotland returning a majority in favour of Remain in every single constituency.




Grasping and aggressive with what exactly? You're forgetting that the UK, as a member, has a veto which it can use to stop moves towards a European superstate.




Please provide a specific example of this.

site article "www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-brexit-means"
Quotations below are from the article above on cfr org. Bold is mine.

"Advocates of a British exit, or Brexit, from the union argued that by reclaiming its national sovereignty, the UK would be better able to manage immigration, free itself from onerous regulations, and spark more dynamic growth."

"UK could face the loss of preferential access to its largest trading partner" to which it apparently had give up sovereignty on many issues. In other words in order to regain its sovereignty the UK had to leave.

"The British people approved membership in a 1975 referendum, but suspicion of political union with the rest of Europe remained strong." For a reason it appears. In fact it seems like a very sticky trading partner which has courts which supersede UK courts. You really can't see why citizens would not have any qualms about it? I can. These are the same conditions which led to the uniting of the Prussias and the United States -- single currency, increasing regulations and a court system over all of the territories. Its pretty obviously an attempt to get the UK and Europe working under a single government using established, historically understood unification principles.

"Economic migration from eastern Europe spiked after the EU expansions of 2004 and 2007, pushing net migration to the UK to more than three hundred thousand people a year by 2015" ....and UK citizens had to accept it under their agreements with the EU. Is it really that hard to understand why they might be concerned about a complete change in their way of life through massive immigration? "A wave of asylum seekers arriving from beyond the bloc’s borders has also driven tensions." and not just in the UK. When the EU let in a flood of people, that concerned some people. I can understand that. Its an island, not a continent.

"In February 2016, EU leaders agreed to a number of changes including protections for non-euro currencies within the EU, new limits on migrants’ benefits, a commitment to reducing EU regulation, and official recognition that the push for “ever closer union” does not apply to the UK."... Ever closer union? They only agreed to this in 2016? Too little too late! The EU planned to eventually replace sovereignty and had already made inroads towards doing so.

Single currency is guaranteed loss of sovereignty--eventually. If the EU states continue they will eventually become one superstate. Spain, Greece, France, Germany, Italy and all of them are on this road, and it only leads to one thing: a country. Its the obvious goal of the EU no matter what any prime minister says. I realize the UK retains its currency, but that doesn't change the goals of the EU. Britain had to get out if it was to remain a sovereign territory. It was either going to leave or become part of the blob.

 

[Notanumber]

19 Days to Brexit!

If parliament respects the will of the people and we leave on the 29th we will be able to negotiate an equitable deal as an equal partner with the EU. All we need is some committed Brexit negotiators to get the job done.