whats your beef with brexit?

[The Emperor of Mankind]

It will all be fine now that parliament has taken back control.

Except Quitlers and their supporting rags (specifically the Daily Mail) were screaming at judges not 2 months ago for ensuring precisely this happened. The Lord Chief Justice and two other judges ruled that Parliament must get a vote on the final Brexit deal after Theresa May has spent the last few months trying to reactivate 'Henry the 8th' clauses which would allow the government to keep or chuck bits of legislation such as the Working Time Directive created to suit the commonly accepted European standard; as well as trying to rig Parliamentary bill scrutiny committees to give herself an undeserved majority on these groups (which in actuality are supposed to mirror the make-up of the Commons floor). This is all part of the plan to take us out of the Common Market even though the Common Market wasn't on the referendum ballot.

Judges ruled in such a way to ensure that May doesn't undermine the Parliamentary sovereignty you lot seem to cherish most dearly and yet you go ape**** at this ruling because it puts all the Leave campaigns lies and false claims.

Just imagine what it would be like if the Corbynistas were in control - Corbynistas' purge of moderates in London gathers momentum

That was a sad and obvious attempt at a diversion. You can go on about what things might be like under Corbyn all you wish but it holds literally no weight against observations of what things are like now under the Tories.

 

[Notanumber]

The Corbynistas are suffering from headless chicken syndrome.

Is Labour ready for government?

I would not rely on them to steer us out of the EU.

 

[England my lionheart]

Imo we should have played the waiting game, the tories have made a proper mess of it all but Labour would be worse,we should have gone in hard, we could have had a better deal, not just for us but Europe too.
The survivors of the eu sinking will be 3 at the worst scenario and we are one of them, 24 members will only be worse off in movement of people but poor as they already are, the eu dream has already turned into a nightmare for some, we should have just wiped our feet on the way out.
That said there's lessons we can learn from such a colossal failure and move on but time is the enemy here.

 

[Notanumber]

We can still walk away.

Leave them alone and they’ll come home wagging their tails behind them.

 

[Altfish]

We can still walk away.

Leave them alone and they’ll come home wagging their tails behind them.

Is that the same James Dyson who loves Britain so much he moved production of his products from Wiltshire to Malaysia?

 

[Notanumber]

Is that the same James Dyson who loves Britain so much he moved production of his products from Wiltshire to Malaysia?

It’s like that saying, when in Rome do as the Romans do. Once we leave Rome and the rest of the EU behind he might move them back home.

Where are most of his highly skilled workers based?

'Invent relentlessly' warns Sir James Dyson as his company puts £250m into R&D centre

BTW, he didn’t move production to the EU.

 

[Altfish]

It’s like that saying, when in Rome do as the Romans do. Once we leave Rome and the rest of the EU behind he might move them back home.

And, he might not.
But the new UK with reduced corporate tax, poor labour standards, reduced H&S maybe the UK will be able to compete with third world countries.

Where are most of his highly skilled workers based?

'Invent relentlessly' warns Sir James Dyson as his company puts £250m into R&D centre

BTW, he didn’t move production to the EU.

If the same quality designers were available cheaper abroad don't you think he'd move them as well. Again reduce benefits post Brexit, scrap working hours, take us back to Dickensian times and we will have even cheaper labour.

 

[Altfish]

Well for the first time ever, I agree with Nigel Farage...

Nigel Farage backs fresh Brexit referendum to 'kill off' issue

...once we know what the deal is, how much it'll cost, how much of the £350m will go to the NHS we should have a second referendum.

 

[Notanumber]

This Remainer would vote leave tomorrow.

 

[Notanumber]

This man says who are they trying to threaten.

 

[LionLooking]

I'm a very late comer to this thread but it interests me a lot.

I'm glad we're out and feeling positive,not every one is so here's your chance to say why.

I have many reasons why I want to prevent Brexit:

I fear for the younger generation. Brexiteers are primarily middle aged so won't have to live with the consequences of their decision. Younger people are more pro EU but will be left to live in the mess their elders created for them.
I fear for the environment. European directives have kept our government in check. Without them many environmental issues (clean beaches, clean air) would have been left unaddressed.
I fear for the union. Scotland and Northern Ireland both voted to remain but are being forced to go along with Brexit. This makes Irish unity and Scottish independence much more likely.
I fear for Britain's 'clout'. The days of Empire are long gone. As a men=mber of the EU, the UK has influence on the international stage. Once we've left, we will be far less important and dwindle away.
I fear for the economy. The EU brings massive amounts of money to our economy. One example is that EU students bring £20 billion per year to our shores. Without doubt, the economy will shrink post Brexit.
I fear for our values. Where I live (Boston) there are a good proportion of Polish people. Since the referendum, attacks on these have gone through the roof. Public opinion seems to be heading off to the far right.
The list goes on, but I'd be here all day if I mentioned them all.

Well for the first time ever, I agree with Nigel Farage...

Nigel Farage backs fresh Brexit referendum to 'kill off' issue

...once we know what the deal is, how much it'll cost, how much of the £350m will go to the NHS we should have a second referendum.

I agree wholeheartedly. The leave majority was so tiny because it included many protest votes. Heck, even Boris Johnson only joined the leave campaign for the sake of his career - he was a remainer and never believed for one second that thee leavers would actually win.
Let's have another referendum, now that everyone knows their vote actually counts.

 

[oldbadger]

All three are eurozone countries

Countries...?

The eurozone is a house of cards that is rapidly collapsing and people ask us why we wanted to leave.

I voted to leave and so did most folks in this area, but the business, career and profession folks that I know were all totally committed to the EU and could not believe that we would vote 'out'.

If I had taken a street survey of 'out' voters' reasons I reckon that at least 50%+ would have mentioned immigration.

I think it was an emotional response in the referendum, but I'm claiming serendipidy there because I believed that we needed to go.

 

[England my lionheart]

I understand your fears, for me it's the right thing to leave but years earlier would have been much better, the far right is growing but it's growing all over Europe not just here, freedom of movement was a bad idea that Merkel made worse.

I will admit that it's been poorly handled though but another referendum?, how many should we have till remain get what they want?, I have faith in our young people that they'll be OK, after all there forefathers survived without the eu.

 

[oldbadger]

Do elaborate as to why a European superstate is unworkable. Please use as much detail as possible.

Hi......
I expect that the above could extend to a very thick volume, but there is a more simple answer:-

We've learned much more about 'layers' of government these last decades, and since power is so linked to corruption and error we now see the EU as layers that we just don't need or want.

It's not about the academics and common sense of economic theory and practice, it's about people's emotions. The UK may devolve through exactly these same emotions.

 

[LionLooking]

I will admit that it's been poorly handled though but another referendum?, how many should we have till remain get what they want?

I would say that until one side or the other gets at least 60% of the vote then we should keep holding referendums. If a clear majority (not 2.2%) wins for either side then I would accept the result.
If remain had won by the same tiny margin, do you think Farage would have ceased his campaign?

I have faith in our young people that they'll be OK, after all there forefathers survived without the eu.

Our forefathers survived without a state pension, paid holidays, NHS, etc. Yes, they'll survive, but life will be harder than it need have been.

 

[oldbadger]

You'd better get used to Corbyn because the current lot are so poor that he's almost certainly going to be the next PM (Unless the Tories ditch May in summer 2019)

To think that almost nobody in any corner of Brit politics had any faith in Mr Corbyn at all. And yet he might be our next PM.

How do think he would manage as our PM?

 

[Notanumber]

I reckon our politicians and the EU are trying to bore us into submission.

As this archive footage shows, the EU was tiresome back in 1990.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp6SwvJak2Y

 

[England my lionheart]

I would say that until one side or the other gets at least 60% of the vote then we should keep holding referendums. If a clear majority (not 2.2%) wins for either side then I would accept the result.
If remain had won by the same tiny margin, do you think Farage would have ceased his campaign?

I don't care what farage would have done, we would have to accept it like the referendum to join the common market.

Our forefathers survived without a state pension, paid holidays, NHS, etc. Yes, they'll survive, but life will be harder than it need have been.

The NHS was born in 1948,the first state pensions 1909,paid holidays 1878 so.......

 

[England my lionheart]

The NHS was born in 1948,the first state pensions 1909,paid holidays 1878 so.......

I should add we joined in 1973

 

[Altfish]

To think that almost nobody in any corner of Brit politics had any faith in Mr Corbyn at all. And yet he might be our next PM.

How do think he would manage as our PM?

I'm a Labour voter but I don't like Corbyn; however he is infinitely better than the current lot.