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whats your beef with brexit?

Altfish

Veteran Member
Because both have clear intention,one wants to fulfill a democratic vote and the others want a referendum,the winner takes it all and endorsed by the people,we all know why labour or lib Dems aren't keen,they will lose.
The winner doesn't take all.
It wins for a limited period, usually 5-years (I say usually not sure we've reached that pinnacle yet)
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I have no more contempt for the Remoaners than they have for those that voted for them in good faith on a lie.

I think that you need to consider long and hard whether there is any truth in that.

For one thing, most Remainers (not "Remoaners", please, unless you welcome being insulted as well) are ordinary voters as opposed to politicians, and therefore do not deserve that contempt even if you happen to be right.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The referendum should have taken place years ago,people have asked for one for many years,the EU isn't the club that we joined and although the ballot paper was overly simple it was absolutely the right thing to have.

That might have been argued if the options were clear about things such as the common market and the nature of the eventual deal.

That was not the case, and therefore the very legality of the referendum is dubious. Both because it is disturbing the working of the UK and because it endangers the GFA (which, I have been told, is specifically forbidden by law).
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
That might have been argued if the options were clear about things such as the common market and the nature of the eventual deal.

That was not the case, and therefore the very legality of the referendum is dubious. Both because it is disturbing the working of the UK and because it endangers the GFA (which, I have been told, is specifically forbidden by law).

The gfa is extremely important but the referendum was and is legal.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
I think that you need to consider long and hard whether there is any truth in that.

For one thing, most Remainers (not "Remoaners", please, unless you welcome being insulted as well) are ordinary voters as opposed to politicians, and therefore do not deserve that contempt even if you happen to be right.

The Left are always insulting the Right. We are used to it and have become immune.

As I have said before, the Remoaners are the ones that refuse to accept the democratic result of the last Referendum.

The Remainers understand the principle of losers consent.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Sure,corbyn,most of the labour party,I say most because at least some believe in democracy like the 19 rebel mps who voted with the government.

So your evidence corbyn and co dont dont democracy? or is it that they dont agree with conservative totalitarianism
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Meanwhile Boris is aiming for a 12th of December election which the opposition must support if they want more time to scrutinise the bill.

Jo swinsons amendment for a people's vote was ignored by bercow in the Queen's speech,she blames labour for this through lack of support,in reality she's deluded that anyone would support her.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Meanwhile Boris is aiming for a 12th of December election which the opposition must support if they want more time to scrutinise the bill.

Jo swinsons amendment for a people's vote was ignored by bercow in the Queen's speech,she blames labour for this through lack of support,in reality she's deluded that anyone would support her.
How to reconcile the country - Not

This country is going down fast, it will not recover in my life; I'm so disappointed with the right wing money people who have got us here, the press that hide the truth if it doesn't suit their agenda.
The likes of Rees-Mogg and Bannon and Johnson and Tim Martin will be quids in if we crash out.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
They don't respect the British public's democratic vote so they obviously don't.

The one based on lies, during which electoral law was broken, which the winning side cannot fulfil the promises they made to the voters, and which was advisory? It would respect democracy far, far more to ask the people if they still want to leave, given the reality is totally different to the promises.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
How to reconcile the country - Not

This country is going down fast, it will not recover in my life; I'm so disappointed with the right wing money people who have got us here, the press that hide the truth if it doesn't suit their agenda.
The likes of Rees-Mogg and Bannon and Johnson and Tim Martin will be quids in if we crash out.

I very much doubt we'll crash out now,it's creating rifts in the EU though over the extension,macron wants 15 days but Merkel backs 3 months,interesting times.
 
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