whats your beef with brexit?

[ChristineM]

They don't respect the British public's democratic vote so they obviously don't.

Round and round you go.

Just over 25% of the population is not democratic despite 'the will of the people' lie

 

[England my lionheart]

The one based on lies, during which electoral law was broken, which the winning side cannot fulfil the promises they made to the voters, and which was advisory? It would respect democracy far, far more to ask the people if they still want to leave, given the reality is totally different to the promises.

This is by now a worn out argument,I'll leave it to the man who got the ball rolling who could not have been more clear.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BMAB6BAgFEAQ&usg=AOvVaw2d--IomH9hsXkSWr7zMD_3

 

[England my lionheart]

Round and round you go.

Just over 25% of the population is not democratic despite 'the will of the people' lie

This is another worn out argument,52% voted to leave and 48% to remain,easy maths.

 

[LuisDantas]

The Left are always insulting the Right. We are used to it and have become immune.

What a sorry excuse. You could have spared me from the time wasted reading it and yourself from the time wasted typing it.

As I have said before, the Remoaners are the ones that refuse to accept the democratic result of the last Referendum.

The Remainers understand the principle of losers consent.

You are in denial.

 

[LuisDantas]

The gfa is extremely important but the referendum was and is legal.

According to...?

 

[England my lionheart]

According to...?

Referendums as such are not legally binding because parliament is sovereign and can say no to the outcome,going back to the man and government that brought us the referendum made it crystal clear that the result would stand whatever it was,this clearly makes it legal as government is sovereign.

 

[Altfish]

Referendums as such are not legally binding because parliament is sovereign and can say no to the outcome,going back to the man and government that brought us the referendum made it crystal clear that the result would stand whatever it was,this clearly makes it legal as government is sovereign.

I thought we didn't have sovereignty whilst in the EU
I thought that was one of the main wins fro Brexit; we get our sovereignty back.

Are you telling me we had it all along??

 

[England my lionheart]

I thought we didn't have sovereignty whilst in the EU
I thought that was one of the main wins fro Brexit; we get our sovereignty back.

Are you telling me we had it all along??

Yes but not complete.

Rhodri Thompson QC, a specialist in EU law, puts it this way: "The basic relationship between UK and EU law has been clear since 1972 - Parliament remains sovereign but recognises the binding nature of EU law. The only other mechanism, used by some other member states, is to entrust ultimate national sovereignty to their constitutional courts as guardians of a written constitution."

 

[Altfish]

Yes but not complete.

Rhodri Thompson QC, a specialist in EU law, puts it this way: "The basic relationship between UK and EU law has been clear since 1972 - Parliament remains sovereign but recognises the binding nature of EU law. The only other mechanism, used by some other member states, is to entrust ultimate national sovereignty to their constitutional courts as guardians of a written constitution."

Another Brexiteer lie - they are mounting up

 

[England my lionheart]

Another Brexiteer lie - they are mounting up

Where's the lie?

 

[Altfish]

Where's the lie?

We've lost our sovereignty

 

[ratiocinator]

This is by now a worn out argument,I'll leave it to the man who got the ball rolling who could not have been more clear.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BMAB6BAgFEAQ&usg=AOvVaw2d--IomH9hsXkSWr7zMD_3

Nothing that the idiot who started this said affects the points I made.

 

[England my lionheart]

Nothing that the idiot who started this said affects the points I made.

But it was legal,government is sovereign.

 

[Altfish]

But it was legal,government is sovereign.

There you go again - 'sovereign' - we were told we'd lost it

 

[England my lionheart]

We've lost our sovereignty

I said we didn't have complete sovereignty,we had to give some up for certain things to work but it was given not taken.

 

[ratiocinator]

But it was legal,government is sovereign.

Parliament is sovereign, actually, certainly not promises made by the PM (just look at how many lies our current PM has told, most recently to the DUP) - and it still doesn't change the fact that the law was broken by the leave campaign, that what was promised by them cannot be delivered, the choice we now face is completely different to the one described, or that MPs have changed their minds multiple times but refuse to let the people do likewise.

 

[Altfish]

I said we didn't have complete sovereignty,we had to give some up for certain things to work but it was given not taken.

But the campaign said it was all gone, I don't remember anyone saying we've lost a little bit of our sovereignty.

 

[ChristineM]

This is another worn out argument,52% voted to leave and 48% to remain,easy maths.

So you ignore the almost half the population, cool democracy you got there

 

[England my lionheart]

But the campaign said it was all gone, I don't remember anyone saying we've lost a little bit of our sovereignty.

Actually we lost none of it,we kind of gave it away but we've never lost control of it,laws were invited in and Europe given competence.

 

[Altfish]

Actually we lost none of it,we kind of gave it away but we've never lost control of it,laws were invited in and Europe given competence.

See, that's not what was said in June 2016.