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When did satan know who jesus was?
- Thread starter Heneni
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Charity
Let's go racing boys !
Hello Heneni this is a good question......I think Satan probably knew when Jesus was born, the star, was a good indication. If he didn't recognize that, he missed an excellent chance of having the light bulb go on......Then when Herod had the babies killed and Jesus was safe, that would have been another light bulb moment. Then when the famous temptation with Jesus failed Satan had to know This was the Son Of God, if he didn't then he should have used another brand of light bulb. The life of Christ, the miracles he performed if by this point Satan hadn't seen the light then his breaker was tripped and there would be no light bulb go on....By the time we get to the death and resurrection of Jesus he knew he was never going to see the light again, just outer darkness.........
and it is better to light one little candle :candle: than to curse the darkness.......
methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
Now, unless I'm mistaken, when Jesus was at school one day, he won the "teacher-helper-outer" award after discovering it was actually Satan leaving scorch marks on the desks, and reporting it to his teacher. Now, Satan of course didn't like being ragged on for it, and vowed to have his revenge. I think from that moment, he knew who Jesus was.
...no?
...no?
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Maybe he doesnt know???..And he has to keep on guessing...
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methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
hmm a bit of trial and error huh?
maybe that's why my closet smelt a bit like singed hair the other week - he's still looking for likely suspects.
maybe that's why my closet smelt a bit like singed hair the other week - he's still looking for likely suspects.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
inquirer_Jn1717
Member
I think Satan knew right away. The demons could tell right away who Jesus was--they called him the "Son of God" more than anybody!
What I've always wondered is this: what was Satan thinking when when Jesus became a human, and then later when he was going to the die?
Was it: "Is God crazy!? He's made Himself into a mortal man, just to hang out with His little creations? Muuahahaha! I have Him now! The universe is miiiine!" (Imagine the scene from "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" where the Witch is about to kill Aslan and she thinks she's about to win...)
Or was it more like this: "NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo...!" as Jesus expired and there was nothing Satan could do to stop it?
What I've always wondered is this: what was Satan thinking when when Jesus became a human, and then later when he was going to the die?
Was it: "Is God crazy!? He's made Himself into a mortal man, just to hang out with His little creations? Muuahahaha! I have Him now! The universe is miiiine!" (Imagine the scene from "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" where the Witch is about to kill Aslan and she thinks she's about to win...)
Or was it more like this: "NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo...!" as Jesus expired and there was nothing Satan could do to stop it?
Heneni
Miss Independent
True, but Jesus was over thirty. Could the demons tell before then? If they could, then his neighbourhood school friends must have shouted this strange idea of jesus being the son of god all the time. NO? Did noboty pay attention to it.
I think satan must have been more of a nervous wreck after waiting for about two thousand years for jesus to pitch up. He knew someone was going to come and sort him out since it was prophesied in genesis.
I think your second one is more likely: Satan entered Judas, not to get jesus killed but to stop judas making the mistake of satans life.
If Herod had to be inspired by satan to kill all those children, then he wasnt much good to satan. If satan knew who jesus was, wouldnt he have used somone to get the right boy killed?
Heneni
Miss Independent
Amazing what god would do to save us. It seems like God kept Jesus 'under cover' for a few years at least. Disguising Jesus as a human worked wonders too. I dont think satan was able to tell the son of god from the next one. But then at some point this changed. God revealed his son, in a way that satan did not have any doubt about Jesus's identity.
kai
ragamuffin
he could have put out a contract on him? surely someone knew a guy that knew a guy that knew a guy that worked in the waste disposal in Jerusalem
Heneni
Miss Independent
he could have put out a contract on him? surely someone knew a guy that knew a guy that knew a guy that worked in the waste disposal in Jerusalem
Certainly one demon would be able to tell another demon. HEY I spot the son of god! But it seems that the identity of jesus was hidden until such time he started his ministry.
1. This jesus performed many miracles. Ok that could have given him away. Which is why jesus told everyone to tell NO one about what happened to them....a bit hard though...no one listened and split on jesus right about two seconds after the miracle happened. However in two thousand years, there wasnt much satan hadnt seen done before. Perhaps it wasnt that impressive to him, though it was impressive for the people who recieved the miracles. Jesus did perform miracles in public too, but soon after he made a dash for it to a secluded place where the crowds could not reach him.
2. Satan knew who jesus was the moment he was born.
Unlikely, satan is not very good at interpreting prophecy, if he was he would have looked for that star as well. And he would have been smart enough to pin point the exact date and place of birth.
3. Satan knew who jesus was when he was baptised. Most likely. Since a voice came out of heaven and declared this person to be the son of god. That type of thing never happened before. Still if Jesus was the son of god, satan would have to make sure
4. Satan knew who jesus was after he tempted him. Most probable. Which is why afterwards, the entire demon community was notified, and his identity was revealed. A sort of veil was lifted from jesus and he was not hidden anymore. He was revealed to be the son of god.
What do you all think?
Heneni
Miss Independent
Maybe, but then maybe satan had no idea that jesus was the son of god. If satan knew jesus was the son of god, why did he leave him alone for thirty years?
Heneni
Miss Independent
True, but this was after the voice came out of heaven declaring jesus to be gods son.
He KNEW He was the Son of God, but he (Satan) wanted to have that place. He knew it allright.
Heneni
Miss Independent
I'm not arguing the fact that satan knew Jesus was the son of god, i'm asking when did he know that the man from galilee was the ONE.
Satan is not omnipresent. He could not have been present when jesus was born, he could not have known unless he was there to witness it. Wherever satan was, he needed to look for jesus, and he needed to find him. To find jesus, would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
Maybe he was looking everywhere except for a baby born in a manger. But when god announced jesus as his son, the demons around would have heard it, and would have been able to tell satan about it.
Satan has seen many miracles performed during the two thousand years leading up to the birth of jesus. A man doing miracles wasnt something he would have considered conclusive proof that the person was the son of god. Satan isnt all knowing either. He did not know anymore than the next person, how god was going to bring about his defeat. All he knew was some scimpy details. The whole of israel thought the messiah would come and give them back political freedom. Since jesus wasnt trying to do any such thing, maybe satan didnt think him to be the son of god either.
The revelation of gods plan to save the world, was a mystery, and more so even to satan. I dont think the real identity of jesus was known to satan from the time of his birth. I could be wrong, but then i suspect jesus would have had many demons scream at him to go away as he went to school, or as he played with friends.
The bible also says that the whole creation is growning and travailing until such time that the sons of god are revealed. The sons of god are here, but their true identity is hidden from satan. He has no idea who is his friend and who is his foe. Until, that is, he has tempted them. As he did with Jesus. Jesus knew that the identify of gods children are hidden until such time that they are tempted and found not willing to succumb to temptation. Jesus in his lesson on praying said....and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. He was saying, keep our identity hidden by delivering us from the evil one.
The bible also says, that a man is not tempted beyond that which is common to man. Meaning, it will be common for man to be tempted in an attempt for satan to establish your identity. When he has, you can be sure youre in for a tough time, and the bible makes it evident that christians will suffer because of who they are.
Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
When Jesus created the angel that would later become Satan. That's when Lucifer acknowledged Jesus' existence.
Now if you are talking about Jesus' human existence then it had to be shortly after Jesus was born. If Herod was capable of gleaning OT prophecy concerning the Messiah and dispatching a search party for the infant Jesus, then Satan would be aware of Herod's intentions, if he didn't plant them in his head in the beginning.
Heneni
Miss Independent
True, but satan didnt know who jesus (the human Jesus) was or he would have got herod to kill the right baby.
Herod was advised by the wise men from the east, who in actual fact had little knowledge of jewish prophecy. They were star gazers.
Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
If Satan had only been as prophetically astute as those Magi...
Ummm.... I don't think people with little knowledge of Jewish prophecy would trouble themselves with a pilgrimage of this magnitude. These people were focused and effective in finding a needle in a haystack, which describes a people with an above average aptitude regarding Jewish prophecy. I would appreciate if you would give me the reference to your fact regarding the Magi's knowledge of Jewish prophecy.