When did you lose your innocence????

[DarkSun]

What child does not want to be knowledgable?

They ask questions 24/7.

A child is utterly content and fulfilled
when mum and/or dad
puts them up in a princess palace
with no problems, and fill'filled tummies.

Most children will be satisfied with an illogical or incorrect answer to their question though, and so they fit the definition Joea gave.

 

[blackout]

Most children will be satisfied with an illogical or incorrect answer to their question though, and so they fit the definition Joea gave.

At what point does innocence become...
inability to reason, lack of knowledge about the world,
or just plain stupidity?

 

[Misty]

I really like your Grandson I hope his parents where a little bit nicer than mine, they always try to force me to belive with talking about punishment (from god, or sitting in the edge of the room or going to bed without meal....) when I don't do it.....

Our grandson now 8 considers himself an atheist, and his parents don't have a problem with it. Faith after all is only a matter of opinion, not fact.

Like you, I was threatened with dire consequences if I didn't believe when I was a child!

 

[blackout]

My kids look at me sometimes and say
"you're joking, right?"

then they run it by each other.
to try and discern weather I'm joking with them.
"That's not true" they say. then..... "IS IT?" haha

If I am joking, finally I tell them.
Actually I often give them hints in the form of questions
(and then explain)
If I wasn't joking, it's just as funny.

A little joking around that way
actually HELPS them in their own discernment skills.
I also TEACH my children
not to necessarily believe things
just because adults and teachers "say so".
(which I'm sure the school would love. )

 

[DarkSun]

At what point does innocence become...
inability to reason, lack of knowledge about the world,
or just plain stupidity?

Whoever created the English language needs to answer a few questions...

 

[joea]

Sure. It takes quite some emotional maturing to actually overcome the deep egotistical drive of young children, in fact. It is a demonstrated, well-documented fact that it takes some years until they even learn that there are things that belong to other people as opposed to themselves.



That IMO is one of the most twisted teachings coming from Rajneesh. It breeds a very nasty, unhealthy brand of narcisism on his so-called "sanyasin". That is one of the main reasons why I consider him a criminal.

If you are trying to practice Buddhism, then i somewhat feel compassion towards you. It seems you have not understood a thing about compassion for others...stop judging other people. You are worse than than those who crucified Jesus...

 

[DarkSun]

My kids look at me sometimes and say
"you're joking, right?"

then they run it by each other.
to try and discern weather I'm joking with them.

If I am joking, finally I tell them.
(and then explain)
If I wasn't joking, it's just as funny.

A little joking around that way
actually HELPS them in their own discernment skills.
I also TEACH my children
not to necessarily believe things
just because adults and teachers "say so".
(which I'm sure the school would love. )

I did that all the time with my teachers growing up. In year six, I'd ask the RE teacher a whole heap of questions about inbreeding, and where the Garden of Eden was, why no one found it, how God could love us if he killed us all with a flood, about inbreeding... She couldn't answer any of those questions, and she admitted it after a while, and said that I just had to have faith that it works out somehow. By which point the class was really ****** off with me.

No, the teachers didn't like it. Neither did the students. But my regular teacher was just sitting there smiling.

But after a certain amount of time of Christian schooling, those ideas tend to rub off on you. I've only now come to terms with what I think is true and what I think is complete BS.

 

[blackout]

If you are trying to practice Buddhism, then i somewhat feel compassion towards you. It seems you have not understood a thing about compassion for others...stop judging other people. You are worse than than those who crucified Jesus...

Which of course is a judgement.....
(or maybe a joke? :areyoucra )

 

[joea]

Which of course is a judgement.....
(or maybe a joke? :areyoucra )

I hope you enjoyed the flowers i send you last week..but I never count my kindness

 

[DarkSun]

Which of course is a judgement.....
(or maybe a joke? :areyoucra )

Stop judging him. Geez.

 

[joea]

Stop judging him. Geez.

yeah..lol

 

[joea]

That IMO is one of the most twisted teachings coming from Rajneesh. It breeds a very nasty, unhealthy brand of narcisism on his so-called "sanyasin". That is one of the main reasons why I consider him a criminal.

I like to discuss this with you ( remember I was talking about the innocence of a child) what part of this teaching you don't agree with?

 

[LuisDantas]

If you are trying to practice Buddhism, then i somewhat feel compassion towards you. It seems you have not understood a thing about compassion for others...stop judging other people. You are worse than than those who crucified Jesus...

Judging people is a practical necessity. As you have just demonstrated to believe yourself, in fact.

Anyway, I have no use for your compassion, so keep it. If you happen to disagree with anything I said, feel free to say so, however.

 

[LuisDantas]

I like to discuss this with you ( remember I was talking about the innocence of a child) what part of this teaching you don't agree with?

The parts that claim that children have no ego, that they are born "enlightened", and that it is society that feeds them ego. The whole narcisistic enchillada.

Being ignorant of the world does not make one virtuous, enlightened or even innocent in any commendable or healthy way, obviously.

Even a passing knowledge of the Buddha's history makes it very obvious that Siddharta himself also thought so, btw...

 

[Smoke]

Are you saying a child is born with an ego?

Of course.

The child has no ego when born hence, everyone is born enlighten

Nonsense. No one who has ever spent time with a newborn child would believe such crap.

A child's innocence gradually falls away when he takes on a new mind, the ego, the new personality learned from others(parents, teachers, etc). The knowledge that is taught to him through his upbringing destroys his innocence...

Horse****. Observe the world that is, instead of imagining a world that is not.

 

[Smoke]

If you are trying to practice Buddhism, then i somewhat feel compassion towards you. It seems you have not understood a thing about compassion for others...stop judging other people. You are worse than than those who crucified Jesus...

This statement is proof that you understand nothing.

Osho my ***.

 

[joea]

Judging people is a practical necessity. As you have just demonstrated to believe yourself, in fact.

Anyway, I have no use for your compassion, so keep it. If you happen to disagree with anything I said, feel free to say so, however.

Just that those who criticize the most are often seen as hypocrites. Osho's teaches do not judge others whether good or bad...as the divine is hidden in all of us.

 

[LuisDantas]

Just that those who criticize the most are often seen as hypocrites.

That seems to demand investigating on a case-by-case basis to see whether they are indeed hypocrites, then.

Osho's teaches do not judge others whether good or bad...as the divine is hidden in all of us.

Case in point.

 

[joea]

Of course.

Nonsense. No one who has ever spent time with a newborn child would believe such crap.

Horse****. Observe the world that is, instead of imagining a world that is not.

I don't agree with your nonsense either..only guess work that seem right but no quality.

 

[joea]

That seems to demand investigating on a case-by-case basis to see whether they are indeed hypocrites, then.



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Go for it..I have no hurt. The hurt is not the source of my worries. But aren't you missing the point?