joea
Oshoyoi
Oh yes I do understand!!!. I live what I practice. What about you?
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When did you lose your innocence????
- Thread starter Bird123
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Is there a point?
I am. And one of the things I am is not a willing accomplice with destructive, narcisistic teachings that overly romanticise the innocence of children.
LOL the only reason we think babies or young children are innocent is because they are not large enough to legitimately hurt us bigger people. The worst that can happen is that we'd get annoyed. 
Babies are incredibly self-absorbed beings. This neither "innocent", or "enlightened", but it also is not "evil." It's a survival mechanism with little wisdom or compassion (if any at all) for others. There is no need to idealize OR to demonize the infancy state of mind. It is what it is.
Babies are incredibly self-absorbed beings. This neither "innocent", or "enlightened", but it also is not "evil." It's a survival mechanism with little wisdom or compassion (if any at all) for others. There is no need to idealize OR to demonize the infancy state of mind. It is what it is.
joea
Oshoyoi
But look what makes you or even I right anyways? The matter is before discussion. ..let's discus it. Why the anger?...why bashing Osgo yet again?
blackout
Violet.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I think the innocence in children lies in the simple, clear wonder they still have in living. Their worldview is only starting to cloud over with abstractions. The future is still outside that Garden of Eden and not before their eyes.
joea
Oshoyoi
Then what is your understanding of the meaning of what Yung Chia says here?.. “The real nature of ignorance is identical to the nature of enlightenment” . Is not the real nature of ignorance is innocence?
Bird123
Well-Known Member
Should you allow the actions of others to change who you can choose to be????? Does it really matter what everyone else does???? Isn't what you choose to do what really counts????
Bird123
Well-Known Member
Rather than protected, should we learn how to deal with it instead???
Bird123
Well-Known Member
Very good point. Perhaps a lesson in that maybe we should watch just how we influence others. Everything we say and do touches someone.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
Perhaps, it's just the kindness in your heart that you refuse to give up, giving those around you the opportunity to do the right thing. Indeed, it's not a bad thing. I'm hanging onto mine as well!!!I lost mine in stages. But I think I lost most of it between 9 and 14. I still haven't really lost all of my innocence though, I'm very naive about a lot of things. I don't see how this is a bad thing though.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
Very good, but isn't it our choice how we value or see things in this world?? Maybe one can choose to be in that Garden of Eden in spite of the challenges. Couldn't one choose and understand that all the challenges are no more than a learning experience??
joea
Oshoyoi
To the point of what I'm saying is basically to the defense of the child. At the time the child is born he knows nothing of the world, thus he's born innocent. It is through learning and the conditioning by the society that he adopts and imitate what he's learned....a child has no choice, if he did, then we think he's a problematic child...
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joea
Oshoyoi
From where did this ego come from?. We are all born with NO EGO, because there is no "I " yet evolved..only enmeshment; Sure we are born as a self, a human self, we just don’t know it.But as babies, we grow inside our mothers—fully attached. Then comes the separation. We come into this world still attached and enmeshed with our mother and without the ability to distinguish ourselves from her. As an infant, it is all one and the same. This is the process by which we become an autonomous human being. The physiological separation of birth precedes the psychological separation and birth of the self. This is called process individuation.
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Shadow Wolf
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Well, for a moment maybe. For a moment we can submerse ourselves into their world, into a world where hate, fear, doubt, and shame do not exist. For a moment we can be a part of this world of innocence, and forget about the real world, where hate, crime, brutality, and obstacles abound. For a child has not yet learned of such things. They do not know malicious intent, hatred, or bigotry. But as we grow, we learn these things exist throughout the world, and are a part of every day life.
It isn't so much as loosing our innocence as it is learning the world isn't as friendly as we think it is while we are very young.
It is more a matter of recognizing than allowing, but yes, I should.
Sure.
To a very limited degree, it might.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
The world might not always be a friendly place, however we can choose to be friendly regardless of what others choose. We shouldn't let the hate of others define who we are, now should we??
joea
Oshoyoi
I agree...