When I die, what's it all about?

[Kilgore Trout]

Well if they work universally for everyone that tries them then yes it does apply to you too because it works for everyone. Like I've said Kriya Yoga is universal and scientific. The same goes for any true meditation.

I understand your need to believe this.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

I understand your need to believe this.

lol it is not a need, it is an observation based on complete and consistent results for all who apply it in their lives. Hundreds if not thousands of saints throughout the ages have realized works and all get the same results. All get closer to God and many have found God through it.

 

[PolyHedral]

No they are the laws of Maya in his play. They only exist because we don't see our divine ability within. Once we discover it the laws of physics need not apply to us. Hence why Jesus and other Yogi Christs can perform miracles.

No miracle I have heard about defies physics on the level I am talking about. They are not replicable with current technology, but that isn't the same thing at all.

Polyanna,

You have an Avatar of Avatar's fictional creature that was inhabited by intelligent scientists in a plan to acquire natural minerals . . . for supra-mundane commercial profit [inre: to the movie "Avatar"] ---and you ask to back-that-up?

Why is it that the law of "2x5=10" universally accepted? Because it is universally true!

Just as their is intelligence behind the fake-Avatar in the Movie ---so similarly it is the case in all existing living creatures.

All the talk of "Being One with . . . something or other" still leaves us a "existential" beings ---"existential" beings with a transmigrating soul into bodies birth after birth or "existential" beings in dis-embodied ghost life or "existential" beings merged into Brahman or "existential" beings engrossed in sense-gratification or "existential" beings engaged in epic events ----we exist and that is as good as it gets . . . yet we know that its temporary status paints everything as a false/non-absolute existence; hence "existential" existence.

What to do when "existential" existence is obtained? Hedonism? Self-Preservation?
Nirvana-extinguishment? How to escape "existential" existence?

There is no way out! Why? Because "existential" existence is absolutely real ---but temporal ---so there is a place beyond that facilitates the temporal "existential" existence to be congregation 'Place-to-be'.

So if there is no transcendant POV over our "existential" existence status . . . then you are lost. You are ignorant and befooled, hapless and minutely weak and sad and satisfied with just existing.

happy existence while it passes,
Bhaktajan

Who are you responding to? You quote me and riverwolf, (in the wrong order) but address the post to... someone else.

 

[bhaktajan]

standards for determining validity

Standards for determining validity are by asking your elders.
Problem is some elders are simply gross debauches.

This is the ideal method of determining validity:
**How do you know Who your real father is? Ask your mother!**

If you never had a mother to ask ---that is bad karma. So start afresh and get some good-karma for your-self.

I would bet that your "Ideal method of determining validity" is based on whom ever is an authority on a subject that you have never met nor known nor understand the scietific recipe-methods that those so-called Experts that you purport to cite as evidence of what you beleive.

Hey, what I would like to hear proof of via our civic Authorities is,
"Why is the Rent & cost of living always getting more expensive?"
"What is all this industrialisation and modernity porport to be doing for us tenants?"

 

[Kilgore Trout]

lol it is not a need, it is an observation based on complete and consistent results for all who apply it in their lives. Hundreds if not thousands of saints throughout the ages have realized works and all get the same results. All get closer to God and many have found God through it.

Millions of children believe in Santa Claus and write letters to him asking for presents for Christmas. These children have observed that they consistenly get Christmas presents when they do this. They have realized that it works and they get results.

Yet Santa Claus doesn't actually exist. How can this be?

 

[Kriya Yogi]

No miracle I have heard about defies physics on the level I am talking about. They are not replicable with current technology, but that isn't the same thing at all.

Walking on water....Reviving someone dead....healing fatal diseases in an instant....telling the future and never being wrong.....levatating and traveling by light. Materializing anything which they want to.....Having two bodies in two different places......Going breathless and then coming back after days.

Those are the type miracles I'm talking about that defy our everyday physics.

 

[bhaktajan]

Who are you responding to? You quote me and riverwolf, (in the wrong order) but address the post to... someone else.

You PolyHedral,
"pollyanna" is an English word that I addressed you with.
Check it with an authority that you trust that defines words correctly.

I am referring to your post #169

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Millions of children believe in Santa Claus and write letters to him asking for presents for Christmas. These children have observed that they consistenly get Christmas presents when they do this. They have realized that it works and they get results.

Yet Santa Claus doesn't actually exist. How can this be?

lol terrible comparison. No comment necessary on this one.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I would bet that your "Ideal method of determining validity" is based on whom ever is an authority on a subject that you have never met nor known nor understand the scietific recipe-methods that those so-called Experts that you purport to cite as evidence of what you beleive.

Looking to those educated on particular subjects is one aspect of determining validity. Of course, other aspects of determining validity must be applied in determining who is worth listening to.

Yes, it's a consistently complex and intellectually challenging way of viewing life, so I understand why so many look for simple, easy, ready-made answers, so that they don't have to think too hard.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

lol terrible comparison. No comment necessary on this one.

Not having a response doesn't mean one isn't necessary. I understand you don't have an actual rebuttal, so I'll take your non-response as simple avoidance of the issue. Understandable, when one must protect their view at all costs.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Not having a response doesn't mean one isn't necessary. I understand you don't have an actual rebuttal, so I'll take your non-response as simple avoidance of the issue. Understandable, when one must protect their view at all costs.

I think you like to do this just to try to get under people's skin. Ok my rebuttal is Santa Clause was never shown to anyone to be real. We know he doesn't exist. With Kriya Yoga all it takes is a simple persistent application and your evidence that it works will be there everytime and more intensely the more you practice it. Not to mention it is seen to work for others every time.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I think you like to do this just to try to get under people's skin. Ok my rebuttal is Santa Clause was never shown to anyone to be real. We know he doesn't exist. With Kriya Yoga all it takes is a simple persistent application and your evidence that it works will be there everytime and more intensely the more you practice it. Not to mention it is seen to work for others every time.

Santa Claus is shown to be just as real to those children as your beliefs are to you. A simple persistent practice of writing letters to him results in presents at Christmas. Not to mention that it works for other children every time as well.

The point is, that from my perspective, there's no difference between you and those children. Your arguments that it works are no more persuasive than the childrens' arguments that Santa works. Arguments that something "works" are highly subjective and say nothing about what is actually working or why.

People convince themselves that all sorts of things work for them. Rarely are they accurate about what is actually occuring.

 

[Riverwolf]

I think you like to do this just to try to get under people's skin. Ok my rebuttal is Santa Clause was never shown to anyone to be real. We know he doesn't exist. With Kriya Yoga all it takes is a simple persistent application and your evidence that it works will be there everytime and more intensely the more you practice it. Not to mention it is seen to work for others every time.

I have a question.

Can you perform "miracles", yet?

 

[Riverwolf]

People convince themselves that all sorts of things work for them. Rarely are they accurate about what is actually occuring.

Thanks for finally presenting something of real worth.

This has been my experience, as well. I have no doubt that Kriya Yoga, and other forms of Yoga, do, in fact, have real, measurable effects on the mind. But, I don't know what's really occurring, and I kinda doubt the traditional explanations are what's going on.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Santa Claus is shown to be just as real to those children as your beliefs are to you. A simple persistent practice of writing letters to him results in presents at Christmas. Not to mention that it works for other children every time as well.

The point is, that from my perspective, there's no difference between you and those children. Your arguments that it works are no more persuasive than the childrens' arguments that Santa works. Arguments that something "works" are highly subjective and say nothing about what is actually working or why.

People convince themselves that all sorts of things work for them. Rarely are they accurate about what is actually occuring.

Ok you keep telling yourself that. All I know is when I and many others meditate and practice Kriya we all can and have had divine and personal experiences that are consistent. I have had many superconscious experiences and can testify that it works and so can many others that have practiced it. It is as scientific as gravity. You can't argue with your own personal experiences and the testifying results from others. Fact is you won't know it works until you try it out for yourself. It is no longer a belief when actual truth and experiences are experienced. This is why I talk so faithfully, enthusiastically, and knowingly about its absolute truth.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

I have a question.

Can you perform "miracles", yet?

No. I'm not God Realized yet.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Thanks for finally presenting something of real worth.

This has been my experience, as well. I have no doubt that Kriya Yoga, and other forms of Yoga, do, in fact, have real, measurable effects on the mind. But, I don't know what's really occurring, and I kinda doubt the traditional explanations are what's going on.

Then you need to go deeper my friend or try a different form of meditation.

 

[Riverwolf]

No. I'm not God Realized yet.

Have you ever seen someone perform a "miracle"?

 

[Riverwolf]

Then you need to go deeper my friend or try a different form of meditation.

Dude, I'm just starting out! I have to do the yamas and niyamas, first. ^_^

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Have you ever seen someone perform a "miracle"?

Yes, my father had his future read many times by a saint and everything came true just as he said. I've also seen people healed. I've also seen fatal accidents abruptly haulted by a some crazy reverse force. I.E my car axle was making noise all day and sounded pretty bad. I drove on the freeway with it for miles and miles and as soon as I got home later that day I parked it in the garage, got out and then the axel snapped. You can call it coincidence but there is no way it could just all of a sudden break by me just getting out of the car when it was more likely to break driving. My father has also had many out of body experiences where he's seen his own body while meditating and then be able to go through the roof and fly around seeing things happen. I've also had dreams where I had a bad back and my Guru would come to my dream and heal me in the dream and my back would no longer hurt. That was a crazy one. Just a few I can think of.