When I die, what's it all about?

[Riverwolf]

Noone is absolutely perfect until their being is wholey immersed in God. Then only God exists and that is when no imperfection can occur. The closer they are to that the less faults they will have. That as a matter of fact is the only fault I noticed of Sri Yukteswar as well. Other than that he was faultless. The same goes for Paramhansa Yogananda. My Guru has never ever faulted once he achieved Nirbikalpa samadhi. Besides true wisdom is little found in reading their books, however true wisdom is found by applying their meditative practices and teachings in your own life. Then you will know by personal experience.

I know. I view the books as guidebooks, nothing more.

 

[ellenjanuary]

Yes, until you can define "free will" rigorously.

Good answer. :clap:

 

[Riverwolf]

A beautiful sentiment that many people derive comfort from. Like a big, fluffy comforter lulling you off to sleep.

Are you going to try to actually refute the arguments, or just continually say "you're wrong"? 'Cause it's logically fallacious to think that simply repeating something will eventually make it true.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Are you going to try to actually refute the arguments, or just continually say "you're wrong"? 'Cause it's logically fallacious to think that simply repeating something will eventually make it true.

I'm not aware there was an argument to refute.

 

[Riverwolf]

I'm not aware there was an argument to refute.

This is the argument: "There is an intelligence behind the energy of the universe."

 

[Kilgore Trout]

This is the argument: "There is an intelligence behind the energy of the universe."

Attempting to refute something that is baseless and untestable is rather pointless, dontcha' think?

 

[Riverwolf]

Attempting to refute something that is baseless and untestable is rather pointless, dontcha' think?

Less pointless than the posts you've been making.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Less pointless than the posts you've been making.

Which aren't as pointless as the posts I've been responding to.

 

[PolyHedral]

This is the argument: "There is an intelligence behind the energy of the universe."

Back it up, then.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Back it up, then.

It appeals to my human need to impose agency and pattern so I feel that it must be true.

 

[Riverwolf]

Which aren't as pointless as the posts I've been responding to.

...nah, yours are more pointless, because they present no argument and add absolutely nothing to the debate.

Why do you think I'm the only one who's responded?

 

[Riverwolf]

Back it up, then.

I'm not the one making the argument.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Then God is surely identical to the laws of physics themselves?

No they are the laws of Maya in his play. They only exist because we don't see our divine ability within. Once we discover it the laws of physics need not apply to us. Hence why Jesus and other Yogi Christs can perform miracles.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

...nah, yours are more pointless, because they present no argument and add absolutely nothing to the debate.

Just because you miss the point, doesn't mean there isn't one.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

A beautiful sentiment that many people derive comfort from. Like a big, fluffy comforter lulling you off to sleep.

I have my personal reasons and experiences to believe this to be true, just as you do yours.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I have my personal reasons and experiences to believe this to be true, just as you do yours.

Yes, many people end up believing in comforting illusions because of personal reasons and experiences. As long as they don't argue that their illusions apply to me, I have no problem.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Attempting to refute something that is baseless and untestable is rather pointless, dontcha' think?

It is not untestable and or baseless. Sure it might take you a while to realize it but it is testable. You have to have faith and patience to get there though. Something I've done myself and know to be true at my own level of understanding.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Yes, many people end up believing in comforting illusions because of personal reasons and experiences. As long as they don't argue that their illusions apply to me, I have no problem.

Well if they work universally for everyone that tries them then yes it does apply to you too because it works for everyone. Like I've said Kriya Yoga is universal and scientific. The same goes for any true meditation.

 

[bhaktajan]

Originally Posted by Riverwolf
This is the argument: "There is an intelligence behind the energy of the universe."

Originally Posted by PolyHedral
Back it up, then.

Polyanna,

You have an Avatar of Avatar's fictional creature that was inhabited by intelligent scientists in a plan to acquire natural minerals . . . for supra-mundane commercial profit [inre: to the movie "Avatar"] ---and you ask to back-that-up?

Why is it that the law of "2x5=10" universally accepted? Because it is universally true!

Just as their is intelligence behind the fake-Avatar in the Movie ---so similarly it is the case in all existing living creatures.

All the talk of "Being One with . . . something or other" still leaves us a "existential" beings ---"existential" beings with a transmigrating soul into bodies birth after birth or "existential" beings in dis-embodied ghost life or "existential" beings merged into Brahman or "existential" beings engrossed in sense-gratification or "existential" beings engaged in epic events ----we exist and that is as good as it gets . . . yet we know that its temporary status paints everything as a false/non-absolute existence; hence "existential" existence.

What to do when "existential" existence is obtained? Hedonism? Self-Preservation?
Nirvana-extinguishment? How to escape "existential" existence?

There is no way out! Why? Because "existential" existence is absolutely real ---but temporal ---so there is a place beyond that facilitates the temporal "existential" existence to be congregation 'Place-to-be'.

So if there is no transcendant POV over our "existential" existence status . . . then you are lost. You are ignorant and befooled, hapless and minutely weak and sad and satisfied with just existing.

happy existence while it passes,
Bhaktajan

 

[Kilgore Trout]

It is not untestable and or baseless. Sure it might take you a while to realize it but it is testable. You have to have faith and patience to get there though. Something I've done myself and know to be true at my own level of understanding.

You'll have to excuse me if I feel our standards for determining validity are on completely different levels.

And, certainly, I understand the need to feel something is valid, when one spends a certain amount of time and energy pursuing it. It's hard to be objective when one is so invested. Don't expect me to validate your investment though.