When "Inerrant" Really Means "Full Of Errors"

[Subduction Zone]

Well don't hurt me O mighty one because that's what could happen.

The idea that it has to be Nebuchadnezzar is not true. The part of the prophecy that Nebuchadnezzar is concerned with could already be finished but parts of the prophecy await fulfillment.

And no they don't have to use iron age weaponry. Like I said that part is finished.

God knows the future and he would have known the future sins of Tyre. Even modern sins. So then it's not necessarily for the same sins. And a specific leader of Tyre is not mentioned by name. You need to take into account the compounding or expanding meaning of prophecy. For example Jeremiah 51 destruction of Babylon (which was never really destroyed like that) with mystery Babylon in Revelation.

I don't know what you think you've proven.

So God is evil and unjust according to you.

And no, if you read the prophecy the time and place was clear. It is a failed prophecy. But I can tell that you never studied it. Do you wonder how I know? You never mentioned that it was a twofer. Buy one failed prophecy, get another one free.

 

[epronovost]

@halbhh

There is a lot of wrong there. The city of Tyre would be rebuilt, was never completely destroyed and was an important fortress and a strategicaly vital position during the Crusades and even today Tyre is the second most important city in Lebanon. In fact Tyre was sieged only 20 years after Alexander the Great duringg the Third Diadochi War. The siege took an entire year. The fortress was thus still very much standing at that point.

 

[halbhh]

@halbhh

There is a lot of wrong there. The city of Tyre would be rebuilt, was never completely destroyed and was an important fortress and a strategicaly vital position during the Crusades and even today Tyre is the second most important city in Lebanon. In fact Tyre was sieged only 20 years after Alexander the Great duringg the Third Diadochi War. The siege took an entire year. The fortress was thus still very much standing at that point.

The article says that Tyre was razed by Alexander's forces, but doesn't say how long until the subsequent rebuilding happened as far as I can see.

To me though, the more significant parts are those I quoted near the end of the excerpts:

These were no longer Phoenician people, whose culture, religion and language has been lost to history.

Today, visitors who look for ruins from Phoenician Tyre will be disappointed for nothing at all remains from that time period.

 

[halbhh]

@halbhh

There is a lot of wrong there. The city of Tyre would be rebuilt, was never completely destroyed and was an important fortress and a strategicaly vital position during the Crusades and even today Tyre is the second most important city in Lebanon. In fact Tyre was sieged only 20 years after Alexander the Great duringg the Third Diadochi War. The siege took an entire year. The fortress was thus still very much standing at that point.

From another source:

Angered by this rejection and the city's loyalty to Darius, Alexander started the Siege of Tyre despite its reputation as being impregnable.[16] However, the Macedonian conqueror succeeded after seven months by demolishing the old city on the mainland and using its stones to construct a causeway to the island:[7][43][19][40][44]


Hellenistic theatre mask from Tyre, National Museum of Beirut

The tallest siege towers ever used in the history of war were moved via this man-made land bridge to overcome the walls of the city, which was running low on supplies. As Alexander's forces moved forward towards linking the fortified island with the mainland, the Tyrians evacuated their old men, women, and children to Carthage.[42] According to some historical sources, fellow Phoenician sailors from Sidon and Byblos, who had been forcefully recruited by Alexander, secretly helped many Tyrians to escape.[3]

Altogether some eight thousand Tyrians were reportedly killed during the siege, while Alexander's troops suffered only about four hundred casualties. After Alexander's victory, he granted pardon to King Azemilcus and the chief magistrates. Yet according to Arrian, approximately 30,000 citizens were sold into slavery.[42]
Tyre, Lebanon - Wikipedia

 

[Batya]

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This was an interesting article I was just reading:

Alexander the Great razes Tyre....

[the prophecy was that]

• There would be “many nations” against Tyre (Ezekiel 26: 3)
• Her walls and towers would be torn down (Ezekiel 26: 4)
• Her soil would be scraped away and she would become a shining bare rock (Ezekiel 26: 4)
• Fishermen would use the area for drying nets (Ezekiel 26: 5)

A closer examination of the rest of Ezekiel chapter 26 reveals more details:

• Settlements in the countryside would be slaughtered (Ezekiel 26: 6)
• King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon would come against Tyre (Ezekiel 26: 7)
• He would lay siege and tear down Tyre’s walls and houses (Ezekiel 26: 12)
• Tyre’s stones, woodwork and soil would be thrown in the water (Ezekiel 26: 12)

....Hoping to avoid bloodshed, the king of Tyre sent envoys bearing gifts to meet with Alexander. [Alexander the Great] They greeted Alexander most courteously and while not formally submitting to him, requested a formal alliance. Alexander countered with a request of his own that made the Tyrians immediately suspicious. Inside the heavily fortified island city there was an old and famous temple to the chief god of Tyre, Melkart (or Melqart). The Greeks identified this god with their famous mythic hero Hercacles (Hercules). Like many ancient kings, Alexander claimed descent from the gods. Specifically, Alexander claimed descent from Heracles. On statues and images created of Alexander he is depicted wearing or carrying items associated with Heracles. On his coins he is depicted as a youthful and powerful Heracles. In modern terms you could say that Heracles was Alexander’s “brand”.

The Tyrians politely declined Alexander’s request to offer sacrifice in their city. The request came during their major annual religious festival to Melkart and they may have felt that to allow Alexander to sacrifice there and at that time would have meant that they acknowledged his sovereignty over the city.

Unlike Nebuchadnezzar two centuries earlier, Alexander was not content to simply wait and starve the Tyrians into submission.
....

Alexander Builds A Causeway

Demolishing the ruins of mainland Tyre (“Old Tyre”), Alexander had the stones thrown into the sea at the point where the distance between the mainland and the island of Tyre was the shortest. His forces began to build a massive causeway (also called a “mole”) to the island. ...

As the water deepened, the progress of the causeway began to slow. At this point, the efforts of Alexander’s men invited only mockery from the Tyrians. The men of Tyre would approach the workers in boats so that they would be close enough to be heard but far enough away to avoid danger. They would shout scorn and reproach at Alexander’s men. “Was this work for proud soldiers? Did you imagine when you enlisted that you would be carrying baskets of rock and dirt on your backs? Do you imagine that Alexander is greater than the god of the sea?”

(many fascinating details of the innovative preparation and attack follow in the article; I'll only give a bit...)

...To split the Tyrian’s attention, the Greek forces launched a number of diversionary attacks on various points of the islands walls and the navy bombarded the city from all sides with projectiles. With Tyre’s forces fighting on all sides, two ships approached the breached wall. From a tall siege tower, Alexander personally led some of his elite soldiers onto the walls of Tyre and they forced their way into the city. The thoroughly demoralised defenders of Tyre were now in a panic and Alexanders forces were now able to punch through other areas of the city including through its harbours. The fighting inside the city was fierce but relatively short-lived.

Some citizens of Tyre sought shelter in the Temple of Melkart (Melqart), where Alexander had wanted to sacrifice to Heracles (Hercules). The city became a slaughterhouse. ....

Tyre was razed to the ground. It was standard practise for a victorious army to reduce the walls of a conquered city to rubble, lest the city be refortified and again used against them. This was the case with Tyre. Stripped of its impressive defences and denuded of its citizens, proud Tyre, no longer even an island was for a time, only fit for fishermen to dry their nets on the bare rock.. ....
///

...The city would eventually be rebuilt, although never again would it enjoy its former political importance.
...

By the end of the 19th century, a population was again beginning to form in what had once been Tyre. These were no longer Phoenician people, whose culture, religion and language has been lost to history. Rather the new city is peopled by descendants of the Arabs who first settled in the land after the death of Muhammad.

"Today, visitors who look for ruins from Phoenician Tyre will be disappointed for nothing at all remains from that time period. Everything from that era was removed and thrown into the sea to build Alexander’s causeway, leaving only “shining, bare rock” (Ezekiel 26:4).

What Happened To Tyre?

I'd heard of that several years ago, it's very interesting. Thanks for bringing it back to my attention.

 

[epronovost]

From another source:

Angered by this rejection and the city's loyalty to Darius, Alexander started the Siege of Tyre despite its reputation as being impregnable.[16] However, the Macedonian conqueror succeeded after seven months by demolishing the old city on the mainland and using its stones to construct a causeway to the island:[7][43][19][40][44]


Hellenistic theatre mask from Tyre, National Museum of Beirut

The tallest siege towers ever used in the history of war were moved via this man-made land bridge to overcome the walls of the city, which was running low on supplies. As Alexander's forces moved forward towards linking the fortified island with the mainland, the Tyrians evacuated their old men, women, and children to Carthage.[42] According to some historical sources, fellow Phoenician sailors from Sidon and Byblos, who had been forcefully recruited by Alexander, secretly helped many Tyrians to escape.[3]

Altogether some eight thousand Tyrians were reportedly killed during the siege, while Alexander's troops suffered only about four hundred casualties. After Alexander's victory, he granted pardon to King Azemilcus and the chief magistrates. Yet according to Arrian, approximately 30,000 citizens were sold into slavery.[42]
Tyre, Lebanon - Wikipedia

And nothing of that was predicted in the Bible neither were the consequences of such action permanent. 20 years later, Tyre was sieged again, partially destroyed and rebuilt again. What's your point?

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

I just think some people mistake Word and word. People hold, study, and read the word both people for and against the bible. The Word (human incarnated law of the creator) is actually the person the bible talks "about." So, my question is as a devil's advocate: is there contradiction in christ himself?

Holy Spirit falling down on his job"?

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

How are you so sure that Ezekiel 26:14 won't be fulfilled in the future?

Absolutely positive. Future fulfillment is always a cop-out for a failed prophecy.

 

[epronovost]

These were no longer Phoenician people, whose culture, religion and language has been lost to history.

We have a plethora of information about phoenician culture. We long decoded their writtings. Tyre even founded a famous colony which would become a major power in and on itself called Carthage. Lebanese people today share 93% of their DNA to Bronz Age Sidonian making them direct close descendant to Phoenicians.

Today, visitors who look for ruins from Phoenician Tyre will be disappointed for nothing at all remains from that time period.

We have numerous artefacts from the Persian Period and those subscequent and prior periods.

 

[Inquire of God]

It's no secret that God's "inerrant" word is riddled with errors. One can google "Bible contradictions" and come up with with pages and pages of results outlining hundreds if not thousands of errors and contradictions. Whole books on the subject are available on Amazon. Ken Ham wrote a two-volume rebuttal to the most common ones and his treatise doesn't even scratch the surface. I looked at one site and thought I saw 5000. Turns out it was 50,000. It's true that most are of a minor nature, but quite a few--perhaps 500 by my reckoning are egregious enough to be considered serious enough to question the Bible's veracity.

I recently had a short discussion with a member in here about Leviticus 16:34

34 “And this shall be a statute forever for you: Atonement is to be made once a year for all the sins of the Israelites.”

I questioned, "Why did God say the animal sacrifice is to last forever when He knew He'd be sending His son Jesus in 1200 years or so to replace. I would have suspected God would have said, "This statute is only temporary until I send a more perfect sacrifice in the form of my divine son." The truth is IMHO when the scribes wrote out this passage they had absolutely no idea a civilization called Romans would conquer them and destroy Jerusalem and Herod's Temple in 70 CE, therefore they were not in communication with Yahweh when they wrote this ordinance any more than I am in communication with the man in the moon. IOW, this whole atonement thing is a result of a custom that likely evolved over many centuries rather than being handed down by Yahweh all at once.

These errors are why the discipline, apologetics was invented in the first place--to counter with subterfuge or any other means at their disposal to try to make right what was clearly wrong. I can give a few examples of this suberfuge:

“Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever”

Obviously David's throne and kingdom didn't last forever. It ended when the Babylonians marched into Israel. Clever apologists say however that David's throne didn't really end because one day Jesus (who has been set up to be David's offspring via Matthew's and Luke's completely different genealogies for Jesus) will return to earth to claim the throne and rule from it. How this negates the tens of thousands years Israel is and will be without David's house and kingdom until then is a complete mystery to me.

Another is Ezekiel's prophecy that Tyre would be completely destroyed and never rebuilt. Tyre still exists today. You can visit it (when the pandemic is over). Clever apologists say, however that Ezekiel was speaking of the city's original site. The site where Tyre sits today is a different site. In actuality Tyre consisted of two cities, a coastal town and an adjacent island town off the coast. Nebuchadnezzar did indeed destroy the coastal town but he wasn't able to anything to the island. Later Alexander the Great built a bridge to reach the island but only managed to destroy half of it. So the prophecy failed in two ways.: it wasn't completely destroyed and, contrary to what God says,

"You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD" --Ezekiel 26:14

Tyre thrives today completely rebuilt. For those who doubt here is a pic of it.

Yahweh was wrong obviously.

Anyway, here is one of the more than 500 most egregious mistakes that IMHO cannot be reconciled even by the most stalwart apologists:

For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. —Exodus 20:5

The child will not share the guilt of the parent ---Ezekiel 18:20

For I am the Lord; I change not. —Malachi 3:6

Really, God? You changed from commanding punishment up to the 4th generation for the father's sin, but 600 years later you now say no punishment will be visited on the son. I wonder how apologists square those two verses without contradicting Malachi 3:6.

This post is already too long. I will introduce other egregious errors as the thread lengthens, providing apologists are brave enough to address the things I said in this OP.

The only thing a writing like this one of yours completely convinces me of is that people who are out there who say that the second coming has occurred are wrong. Because after the second coming there won't be any writings like this. I wish people would stop believing (those who do) that the second coming has already happened, if one actually believes in the second coming thinks that writings like yours will be happening after the second coming, they, like you, are not really understanding scripture which takes study via the Spirit of God. Before I acquired the guidance of the Spirit of God, I, like you, could not make any sense of the scriptures and what looks like contradictions either. And people who had the Spirit of God, who tried to help me see what is going on in the scriptures were completely unable to. So, while this may seem like criticism, it isn't, and until you get the Spirit of God (which is a valiant quest in itself) or the second coming happens, you will never be convinced by anything anyone says or tries to explain, it is a fruitless endeavor. That much I know and arguing over these things or trying to do the apologist thing is futile and weak, in my opinion. I offer this in the spirit of experience and not of condemnation.

 

[halbhh]

Tyre even founded a famous colony which would become a major power in and on itself called Carthage.

Yes, I'm seeing consistently in many sources that some people of Tyre fled to Carthage.

At the time of the siege, the city held approximately 40,000 people, though the women and children had been evacuated to Carthage, the former Phoenician colony and then Mediterranean power. The Carthaginians also promised to send a fleet to their mother city’s aid. As Alexander did not have access to his own navy, he resolved to take the city and thus deny the Persians their last harbour in the region.
Siege of Tyre (332 BC) - Wikipedia

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

I think you're misinterpreting Ex. 20:5. We believe this does not mean the guilt of the fathers will extend to child. Actually just the propensity for sin or in other words you'll be tempted with the same sins as the ones your ancestors gave in to. This is proven true with genetics more and more. It turns out in the debate nurture vs. nature that nature actually tends to have at least as much of an effect. Epigenetics proves that our actions do also effect our DNA as well.

It's a theory but the mainstream belief and the one most talked about is punishment visited on immediate sons to the 4th generation.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

The throne of David lasting forever can only come true in the Messiah's eternal reign.

This is why Psalm 89 speaks of the fallen fortunes of the line of David. The curse of Coniah has to be taken into account. Because of the sins of the kings of David's lineage including Coniah ... the line was cursed before being taken captive to Babylon. This curse was signified by the crown of thorns that Jesus wore. The crown of gold that David wore was now just a crown of thorns as they crucified the rightful heir to the throne of David. But that's the catch. Jesus puts the curse to death in himself and rises from the grave free of the curse so he can restore the line of David.

The prophecy talks as if David's throne will continue uninterrupted forever. "Your throne will last forever." It's not like Yahweh is saying, "Your throne will be fallen but will be reestablished when my divine son returns to rule forever." Excellent apologetic, by the way.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

The throne of David lasting forever can only come true in the Messiah's eternal reign.

This is why Psalm 89 speaks of the fallen fortunes of the line of David. The curse of Coniah has to be taken into account. Because of the sins of the kings of David's lineage including Coniah ... the line was cursed before being taken captive to Babylon. This curse was signified by the crown of thorns that Jesus wore. The crown of gold that David wore was now just a crown of thorns as they crucified the rightful heir to the throne of David. But that's the catch. Jesus puts the curse to death in himself and rises from the grave free of the curse so he can restore the line of David.

Excellent apologetic. But one has to take on faith that Jesus is descended from David. That many have been trumped up by Luke and Matthew just to try to fulfill prophecy. There are no independent records to corroborate the gospels' genealogy of Jesus. There are no birth records of Jesus, period.

 

[halbhh]

And nothing of that was predicted in the Bible neither were the consequences of such action permanent. 20 years later, Tyre was sieged again, partially destroyed and rebuilt again. What's your point?

A small one first, then a far reaching one after --

To me, the overthrow of Tyre with perhaps 6,000 slaughtered in the city, perhaps 2,000 crucified on the beach, and reputedly 30,000 sold into slavery...and some fled to Carthage...isn't the most essential thing as I see it. But this: the singular Tyre that was before Alexander is no more. And that change was by an overthrow. This is just my view... a mere personal point of view.

Here's the more crucial thing --

According to the common bible, what God wants from man is 'faith', which is to believe without seeing, without proof.

If all of the prophecies of Ezekiel were very clearly fulfilled in a way everyone would agree on....

Then that would prevent the opportunity for faith, because it would be easy clear proof.

For faith to be possible, clear definite proof must not be present.

So, at most, we ought to be able to only vaguely suggest the prophecy was fulfilled.

Anything total clear fulfillment all would see would make most all the bible into nonsense, as the bible endlessly is about faith in the kind of believing without proof ahead of time.

So, Ezekiel could never be clearly all fulfilled in a way you would agree on and then the bible also be correct in the new testament (and the old even) about what 'faith is, and that God wants it from us.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

How are you to say what they really mean? The Hebrew mindset and concepts of words and ideas were in many ways very different than how we see things today.

Yes, but we read and trust the words we read in today's translations. God, if He is omnipotent and omniscient would have foresaw this problem and planned accordingly. But He didn't. Obviously He didn't give a damn one way or the other what we read and whether it was accurately translated or not. He doesn't care. He is a deist God.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

I didn't say they changed in meaning. I meant that it's possible that we have wrong understandings of some words and concepts because we try to fit them into our more westernized mindsets, whereas they were written for a people who had a much different perspective than we do.

The Holy Spirit is supposed to direct our understanding to the truth, isn't He? Therefore if He is guiding us as is His job then there won't be any misunderstanding, right?

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Well don't hurt me O mighty one because that's what could happen.

The idea that it has to be Nebuchadnezzar is not true. The part of the prophecy that Nebuchadnezzar is concerned with could already be finished but parts of the prophecy await fulfillment.

And no they don't have to use iron age weaponry. Like I said that part is finished.

God knows the future and he would have known the future sins of Tyre. Even modern sins. So then it's not necessarily for the same sins. And a specific leader of Tyre is not mentioned by name. You need to take into account the compounding or expanding meaning of prophecy. For example Jeremiah 51 destruction of Babylon (which was never really destroyed like that) with mystery Babylon in Revelation.

I don't know what you think you've proven.

See what I mean about subterfuge apologetics?

 

[Subduction Zone]

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This was an interesting article I was just reading:

Alexander the Great razes Tyre....

[the prophecy was that]

• There would be “many nations” against Tyre (Ezekiel 26: 3)
• Her walls and towers would be torn down (Ezekiel 26: 4)
• Her soil would be scraped away and she would become a shining bare rock (Ezekiel 26: 4)
• Fishermen would use the area for drying nets (Ezekiel 26: 5)

A closer examination of the rest of Ezekiel chapter 26 reveals more details:

• Settlements in the countryside would be slaughtered (Ezekiel 26: 6)
• King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon would come against Tyre (Ezekiel 26: 7)
• He would lay siege and tear down Tyre’s walls and houses (Ezekiel 26: 12)
• Tyre’s stones, woodwork and soil would be thrown in the water (Ezekiel 26: 12)

....Hoping to avoid bloodshed, the king of Tyre sent envoys bearing gifts to meet with Alexander. [Alexander the Great] They greeted Alexander most courteously and while not formally submitting to him, requested a formal alliance. Alexander countered with a request of his own that made the Tyrians immediately suspicious. Inside the heavily fortified island city there was an old and famous temple to the chief god of Tyre, Melkart (or Melqart). The Greeks identified this god with their famous mythic hero Hercacles (Hercules). Like many ancient kings, Alexander claimed descent from the gods. Specifically, Alexander claimed descent from Heracles. On statues and images created of Alexander he is depicted wearing or carrying items associated with Heracles. On his coins he is depicted as a youthful and powerful Heracles. In modern terms you could say that Heracles was Alexander’s “brand”.

The Tyrians politely declined Alexander’s request to offer sacrifice in their city. The request came during their major annual religious festival to Melkart and they may have felt that to allow Alexander to sacrifice there and at that time would have meant that they acknowledged his sovereignty over the city.

Unlike Nebuchadnezzar two centuries earlier, Alexander was not content to simply wait and starve the Tyrians into submission.
....

Alexander Builds A Causeway

Demolishing the ruins of mainland Tyre (“Old Tyre”), Alexander had the stones thrown into the sea at the point where the distance between the mainland and the island of Tyre was the shortest. His forces began to build a massive causeway (also called a “mole”) to the island. ...

As the water deepened, the progress of the causeway began to slow. At this point, the efforts of Alexander’s men invited only mockery from the Tyrians. The men of Tyre would approach the workers in boats so that they would be close enough to be heard but far enough away to avoid danger. They would shout scorn and reproach at Alexander’s men. “Was this work for proud soldiers? Did you imagine when you enlisted that you would be carrying baskets of rock and dirt on your backs? Do you imagine that Alexander is greater than the god of the sea?”

(many fascinating details of the innovative preparation and attack follow in the article; I'll only give a bit...)

...To split the Tyrian’s attention, the Greek forces launched a number of diversionary attacks on various points of the islands walls and the navy bombarded the city from all sides with projectiles. With Tyre’s forces fighting on all sides, two ships approached the breached wall. From a tall siege tower, Alexander personally led some of his elite soldiers onto the walls of Tyre and they forced their way into the city. The thoroughly demoralised defenders of Tyre were now in a panic and Alexanders forces were now able to punch through other areas of the city including through its harbours. The fighting inside the city was fierce but relatively short-lived.

Some citizens of Tyre sought shelter in the Temple of Melkart (Melqart), where Alexander had wanted to sacrifice to Heracles (Hercules). The city became a slaughterhouse. ....

Tyre was razed to the ground. It was standard practise for a victorious army to reduce the walls of a conquered city to rubble, lest the city be refortified and again used against them. This was the case with Tyre. Stripped of its impressive defences and denuded of its citizens, proud Tyre, no longer even an island was for a time, only fit for fishermen to dry their nets on the bare rock.. ....
///

...The city would eventually be rebuilt, although never again would it enjoy its former political importance.
...

By the end of the 19th century, a population was again beginning to form in what had once been Tyre. These were no longer Phoenician people, whose culture, religion and language has been lost to history. Rather the new city is peopled by descendants of the Arabs who first settled in the land after the death of Muhammad.

"Today, visitors who look for ruins from Phoenician Tyre will be disappointed for nothing at all remains from that time period. Everything from that era was removed and thrown into the sea to build Alexander’s causeway, leaving only “shining, bare rock” (Ezekiel 26:4).

What Happened To Tyre?

Sorry, but apologist sites are far from reliable. The prophecy was specifically about the king of Tyre during the time of Nebuchadnezzar. He was the "many nations". He was a king of kings. in the Old Testament. Worse yet, you are describing the destruction of Ushu, not Tyre. Tyre always was the island. Its name comes from the word for "rock" because it was just a rock in the sea.

And you too are claiming that God is an immoral monster.

Why do believers think that it is better for God to be an immoral monster than for prophecies to fail?

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

The only thing a writing like this one of yours completely convinces me of is that people who are out there who say that the second coming has occurred are wrong. Because after the second coming there won't be any writings like this. I wish people would stop believing (those who do) that the second coming has already happened, if one actually believes in the second coming thinks that writings like yours will be happening after the second coming, they, like you, are not really understanding scripture which takes study via the Spirit of God. Before I acquired the guidance of the Spirit of God, I, like you, could not make any sense of the scriptures and what looks like contradictions either. And people who had the Spirit of God, who tried to help me see what is going on in the scriptures were completely unable to. So, while this may seem like criticism, it isn't, and until you get the Spirit of God (which is a valiant quest in itself) or the second coming happens, you will never be convinced by anything anyone says or tries to explain, it is a fruitless endeavor. That much I know and arguing over these things or trying to do the apologist thing is futile and weak, in my opinion. I offer this in the spirit of experience and not of condemnation.

Perfectly understandable. I'd like to get your feedback if I can for future egregious errors I post and you point where what is totally opposite in separate in places in the Bible actually agree with each other like these:

"The first angel sounded his trumpet, and all green grass was burnt up." —Revelation 8:7

Next chapter:

"And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing"

So God decides He wants to burn up all the grass on earth, then He changes His mind and decides to stop burning the green grass?????? God sounds insane.

Or this:

No man hath seen God at any time. —John 1:18

For I have seen God face to face. —Genesis 32:30

Or this:

Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. —II Kings 8:26

Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. —II Chronicles 22:2

Two Ahaziahs???

Or this:

And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. —Mark 15:25

…about the sixth hour…they cried out…crucify him….Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. —John 19:14-16

Maybe the recrucified him the 6th hour to get the prophecy right.

Or this:

Answer not a fool according to his folly, —Proverbs 26:4

Answer a fool according to his folly, —Proverbs 26:5

Duh? What?

And one of my favorites:

And [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed —Matthew 27:5

And Judas purchased a field with the 30 pieces of silver, the reward of iniquity —Acts 1:18

Care to show us where these actually agree with each other?