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When "Inerrant" Really Means "Full Of Errors"

74x12

Well-Known Member
See what I mean about subterfuge apologetics?
I believe it's you who are deceived and therefore deceptive.
Absolutely positive. Future fulfillment is always a cop-out for a failed prophecy.
No it's not always.
So God is evil and unjust according to you.
Sad that you think you have the intellectual or moral basis on which to judge God's motives.
It is a failed prophecy.
According to you.
 

Wrangler

Ask And You Will Receive
You bring up a lot of interesting points. Many have a man-made interpretation of the words but I want to address just this one as my Cultural Study Bible delved into this at Exodus 20:5.

For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.Exodus 20:5

The child will not share the guilt of the parent ---Ezekiel 18:20

It is said that only those who have received the Spirit can understand God's word. This is His design. Others do not have eyes to see or ears to hear as the saying goes regarding spiritual discernment. To those of the flesh, apples and oranges are fruit. They are correct at the genus level of understanding but cannot delve into the differentia. Apples and Oranges are the quintessential example of things that are not the same.

According to the Study Notes, Ezekiel 18:20 refers to guilt flowing from sin. Exodus 20:15 refers to the consequences of sin. Most psychologists today have studied the data of intergenerational learning, behavior and the consequences that follow. It's not that mystical.

One of the most glaring aspects that differentiate our culture today from that of the Bible is how feminized we are. Many actually suppose punishment for wrong doing should only be limited to those doing wrong. Only in modern times have wars ONLY targeted 'enemy combatants.' Before that, the civilian population was the PRIMARY target. For instance, I read the campaigns of Julius Caesar. He salted the farms of his enemies civilian lands, knowing that in the next season, the army would be starving. During the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD, about 3 million civilians were killed or taken as slaves. In Gall, 10 million.

Instead of father and child, re-read the verses substituting politician and taxpayer. I believe it will help you differentiate between suffering the consequences of foolishness with the guilt from foolishness.
  • For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the <politicians> upon the <taxpayer> unto the third and fourth generation.
  • The <taxpayer> will not share the guilt of the <politicians>
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Perfectly understandable. I'd like to get your feedback if I can for future egregious errors I post and you point where what is totally opposite in separate in places in the Bible actually agree with each other like these:

"The first angel sounded his trumpet, and all green grass was burnt up." —Revelation 8:7

Next chapter:

"And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing"

So God decides He wants to burn up all the grass on earth, then He changes His mind and decides to stop burning the green grass?????? God sounds insane.

Or this:

No man hath seen God at any time. —John 1:18

For I have seen God face to face. —Genesis 32:30

Or this:

Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. —II Kings 8:26

Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. —II Chronicles 22:2

Two Ahaziahs???

Or this:

And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. —Mark 15:25

…about the sixth hour…they cried out…crucify him….Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. —John 19:14-16

Maybe the recrucified him the 6th hour to get the prophecy right.

Or this:

Answer not a fool according to his folly, —Proverbs 26:4

Answer a fool according to his folly, —Proverbs 26:5

Duh? What?
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And one of my favorites:

And [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed —Matthew 27:5

And Judas purchased a field with the 30 pieces of silver, the reward of iniquity —Acts 1:18

Care to show us where these actually agree with each other?
The only good point you have is discrepancy between Kings and Chronicles. Minor scribal errors which is why scholars compare The Masoretic with the Septuagint for example to catch things like this.
 

Batya

Always Forward
The Holy Spirit is supposed to direct our understanding to the truth, isn't He? Therefore if He is guiding us as is His job then there won't be any misunderstanding, right?
Understanding doesn't happen magically (NOT saying that the Holy Spirit is magic :)). Yes, he directs us, but we need to apply ourselves and seek out all truth, and even then that doesn't mean we will never misunderstand things. It is a continual process of growth and learning, and I don't think it's unreasonable to realize that we may be a bit out of touch with this book that was written long ago, to and by a different nation, in a different language, in a different culture, with a different worldview, mindset, and outlook on life.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Sad that you think you have the intellectual or moral basis on which to judge God's motives.


Please, there is no excuse for killing innocents generations after a supposed insult. Your version of God appears not to exist. No one has been able to deal honestly with this failed prophecy. I am more than intellectual enough to understand the motives of a make believe God.
According to you.

According to anyone that approaches this topic honestly. This is the sort of failed verse that turns apologists into Liars for Jesus.

By the way, did you find the second failed prophecy yet?
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
Clear and undisputed proof of such things as prophecies, miracles, anything that would simply demonstrate God exists as just observed fact (for instance akin to how the equations of general relativity have been supported with evidence) -- such obvious proof would extensively contradict the bible.

The common bible over and over emphasizes that God wants 'faith' from us, which is to believe without seeing. (This is central and explicit in the New Testament)

But if clear and definite proof no one could deny was available, then faith would be pre-empted, prevented. It's not an act of faith for me to believe I have a car. I just look and see it.

For the main goal for man God specifies to be possible, clear proof must be absent.

@Batya
Excellent apologetic. But one has to take on faith that Jesus is descended from David. That many have been trumped up by Luke and Matthew just to try to fulfill prophecy. There are no independent records to corroborate the gospels' genealogy of Jesus. There are no birth records of Jesus, period.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Clear and undisputed proof of such things as prophecies, miracles, anything that would simply demonstrate God exists as just observed fact (for instance akin to how the equations of general relativity have been supported with evidence) -- such obvious proof would extensively contradict the bible.

The common bible over and over emphasizes that God wants 'faith' from us, which is to believe without seeing. (This is central and explicit in the New Testament)

But if clear and definite proof no one could deny was available, then faith would be pre-empted, prevented. It's not an act of faith for me to believe I have a car. I just look and see it.

For the main goal for man God specifies to be possible, clear proof must be absent.

@Batya
In other words failed prophesies are to be expected. And the Tyre prophecy is a whopper. Another not on why Zeke's prophecy had to be about Nebby. There was a reason that Tyre was so heavily fortified. It was regularly attacked. It was attacked and defeated several times before Zeke's time which was why they went for heavy fortifications. Historically sooner or later heavy fortifications tend to fail. That it was defeated eventually is a big "So what?" especially since the destruction still did not match what was predicted. It was not long before Tyre was reoccupied by the people that use to live there. They were defeated but not eradicated by Alexander.
 
Perfectly understandable. I'd like to get your feedback if I can for future egregious errors I post and you point where what is totally opposite in separate in places in the Bible actually agree with each other like these:

"The first angel sounded his trumpet, and all green grass was burnt up." —Revelation 8:7

Next chapter:

"And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing"

So God decides He wants to burn up all the grass on earth, then He changes His mind and decides to stop burning the green grass?????? God sounds insane.

Or this:

No man hath seen God at any time. —John 1:18

For I have seen God face to face. —Genesis 32:30

Or this:

Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. —II Kings 8:26

Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. —II Chronicles 22:2

Two Ahaziahs???

Or this:

And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. —Mark 15:25

…about the sixth hour…they cried out…crucify him….Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. —John 19:14-16

Maybe the recrucified him the 6th hour to get the prophecy right.

Or this:

Answer not a fool according to his folly, —Proverbs 26:4

Answer a fool according to his folly, —Proverbs 26:5

Duh? What?
1j2kh57pkm9sl.png

And one of my favorites:

And [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed —Matthew 27:5

And Judas purchased a field with the 30 pieces of silver, the reward of iniquity —Acts 1:18

Care to show us where these actually agree with each other?
I don't have the time or the inclination, but I would like to comment on one them and it isn't going to be what you are looking for, but here goes.
You put this one out: No man hath seen God at any time.John 1:18
A friend of mine put this out (what you quoted in John) and I said "That is wrong, He was walking around with 12 men that we know of for three years." Surprisingly he liked my comment.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, we claim to have a living prophet, due to this we can fix scriptures that are in error and there are many of them and the reasons they are in error are multitudinous.
So when people like you try to fight this war trying to prove the scriptures are false, you are really only partially saying something that we have been saying since 1830, not that they are false, but that many of them have been translated in error, purposely or not.
Even with that in my pocket I still know it is fruitless to try to convince people like you (and I mean that in a nice way) with regard to what is really going in the scriptures, because that is not what you are looking for, you are not looking to be proved wrong, you are looking for something else and there are a lot of reasons involved and I do not know which one you are using, it could be that you want to convince as many people as you can that the scriptures are a bunch of hooey.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Science today machine possessed mind was caused in and from moment of reaction.

Designer spiritual holy man human.

Machine evil thesis his alienation.

A form of man image portrayed communicated back of a designer in thought only. Alien design...machines metals. Evidence a recorded ground memory...where the gases came back to his machine as fallen day light.

Seeing he wanted ground machine to own the day instead of life.

So it became heavenly impressed encoded as his losses.

Removed heavens as a fact.

Today a machine wants to pretend it is day light owning reactive heavenly mass conditions as per scientist control to react heavens channelled into machine reaction.

By being cold gas before daylight metal radiated sun alight. Science says my non physical machine is daylight. Thesis fake.

In unreality AI theism possession.

Comparing falsely after designer by conscious life mind human and by body gone. Scientist.

Stephen Haw kING realisation coded science man code.

Designer days my machine by controlled of a heavens study will react Creation just like heavens.

Pretending his machines is not physical is daylight and womb machine reactions. All however natural space heavens thesis

Yet his machine is not daylight.
Is not heavens. Machines own no reaction by design.

All reactions studied a huge space vacuum with daylight gas burning cooled with vacuum and night immaculate cooling support to be daylight.

His machine not any of those states.

So as thesis theist says big bang...the string goes to original cold gases earth heavens not burning. When it is burning.

His thesis metal radiation cold gases is not daylight.

How once he set night time even.balanced sky alight...leaving genetic human family advice of two adults and three DNA child pairs...barely a human after the fact of causes. Claiming satanic historic life destruction event all histories of.

Sitting in an evolved life looking back to Moses mutated ape life Hu man genesis. Due to one reason for book writing the evidence

Data is complied when a human minding their own business suddenly in earth conditions is phenomena attacked. They study the reason why.

Evidence always written after the fact as a reason a past life gets studied. From where an evolved life is living. The evolved life assessing the sacrificed life.

To say I have realised earth evidence about what humans in science caused.

They built a machine to take their place in bio life heavens. Know they theoried it. Believed in what the mind told them. As they are the designer of the alien cause. The machine.

God answered the human designer and gave back equals metal irradiating mass. That cools inside our heavens and produced phenomena. Metal effect that once left earth by opened vacuum suck.

Vacuum strength stopped as evolution cooled space. Earth no longer owned a large vacuum effect.

God did it says man scientist. Yet he activated God to give him back the machine he designed as gods answer.

Then he blamed God when man designed its cause.
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
A small one first, then a far reaching one after --

To me, the overthrow of Tyre with perhaps 6,000 slaughtered in the city, perhaps 2,000 crucified on the beach, and reputedly 30,000 sold into slavery...and some fled to Carthage...isn't the most essential thing as I see it. But this: the singular Tyre that was before Alexander is no more. And that change was by an overthrow. This is just my view... a mere personal point of view.

Here's the more crucial thing --

According to the common bible, what God wants from man is 'faith', which is to believe without seeing, without proof.

If all of the prophecies of Ezekiel were very clearly fulfilled in a way everyone would agree on....

Then that would prevent the opportunity for faith, because it would be easy clear proof.

For faith to be possible, clear definite proof must not be present.

So, at most, we ought to be able to only vaguely suggest the prophecy was fulfilled.

Anything total clear fulfillment all would see would make most all the bible into nonsense, as the bible endlessly is about faith in the kind of believing without proof ahead of time.

So, Ezekiel could never be clearly all fulfilled in a way you would agree on and then the bible also be correct in the new testament (and the old even) about what 'faith is, and that God wants it from us.
I'm losing your point. God wanted to make specific prophecies to show His power when they were fulfilled BUT He didn't want them completely fulfilled because then that would destroy faith which is more important to Him than fulfilling prophecy?????
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SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
I don't have the time or the inclination, but I would like to comment on one them and it isn't going to be what you are looking for, but here goes.
You put this one out: No man hath seen God at any time.John 1:18
A friend of mine put this out (what you quoted in John) and I said "That is wrong, He was walking around with 12 men that we know of for three years." Surprisingly he liked my comment.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, we claim to have a living prophet, due to this we can fix scriptures that are in error and there are many of them and the reasons they are in error are multitudinous.
So when people like you try to fight this war trying to prove the scriptures are false, you are really only partially saying something that we have been saying since 1830, not that they are false, but that many of them have been translated in error, purposely or not.
Even with that in my pocket I still know it is fruitless to try to convince people like you (and I mean that in a nice way) with regard to what is really going in the scriptures, because that is not what you are looking for, you are not looking to be proved wrong, you are looking for something else and there are a lot of reasons involved and I do not know which one you are using, it could be that you want to convince as many people as you can that the scriptures are a bunch of hooey.
But you don't commit to whether you think the prophecies are accurate or inaccurate, even when they are plainly inaccurate like Judas throwing the silver back at the Pharisees and going out as opposed to Judas taking the silver and buying a potter's field with it. Which one did Judas do in your opinion? Or do you absolutely refuse to even consider the question? All you answer is that people like me are evil for trying to sow doubt or something like that when all I'm doing is pointing out the discrepancies. What's so evil about that? This is what I mean about Christians when they are cornered with the truth. Their only recourse is to cover their eyes and ears and keep repeating to themselves, "See no evil, hear no evil. See no evil, hear no evil." That to me is the coward's way out rather than just confronting the problem of textual inaccuracy.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I think you're misinterpreting Ex. 20:5. We believe this does not mean the guilt of the fathers will extend to child. Actually just the propensity for sin or in other words you'll be tempted with the same sins as the ones your ancestors gave in to. This is proven true with genetics more and more. It turns out in the debate nurture vs. nature that nature actually tends to have at least as much of an effect. Epigenetics proves that our actions do also effect our DNA as well.

Read it fully.

I wonder how you would explain the "father shall not bear the inequities of the son" with DNA. And how about DNA explaining how repentance and turning back from sin can reverse it!

Lets say someone stops sinning and repents, can he change his DNA?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
If the meanings of words changed over time it was short-sighted of God not to keep us updated with modern revelation.

So you mean that God should have revealed the Bible in modern day English or something? That would have solved the problem? But hey, English will change again.

What an apologetic for the anti theists. Worse than any missionary. Very very very dogmatic and religious.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
It's no secret that God's "inerrant" word is riddled with errors. One can google "Bible contradictions" and come up with with pages and pages of results outlining hundreds if not thousands of errors and contradictions. Whole books on the subject are available on Amazon. Ken Ham wrote a two-volume rebuttal to the most common ones and his treatise doesn't even scratch the surface. I looked at one site and thought I saw 5000. Turns out it was 50,000. It's true that most are of a minor nature, but quite a few--perhaps 500 by my reckoning are egregious enough to be considered serious enough to question the Bible's veracity.

I recently had a short discussion with a member in here about Leviticus 16:34

34 “And this shall be a statute forever for you: Atonement is to be made once a year for all the sins of the Israelites.”

I questioned, "Why did God say the animal sacrifice is to last forever when He knew He'd be sending His son Jesus in 1200 years or so to replace. I would have suspected God would have said, "This statute is only temporary until I send a more perfect sacrifice in the form of my divine son." The truth is IMHO when the scribes wrote out this passage they had absolutely no idea a civilization called Romans would conquer them and destroy Jerusalem and Herod's Temple in 70 CE, therefore they were not in communication with Yahweh when they wrote this ordinance any more than I am in communication with the man in the moon. IOW, this whole atonement thing is a result of a custom that likely evolved over many centuries rather than being handed down by Yahweh all at once.

These errors are why the discipline, apologetics was invented in the first place--to counter with subterfuge or any other means at their disposal to try to make right what was clearly wrong. I can give a few examples of this suberfuge:

“Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever”

Obviously David's throne and kingdom didn't last forever. It ended when the Babylonians marched into Israel. Clever apologists say however that David's throne didn't really end because one day Jesus (who has been set up to be David's offspring via Matthew's and Luke's completely different genealogies for Jesus) will return to earth to claim the throne and rule from it. How this negates the tens of thousands years Israel is and will be without David's house and kingdom until then is a complete mystery to me.

Another is Ezekiel's prophecy that Tyre would be completely destroyed and never rebuilt. Tyre still exists today. You can visit it (when the pandemic is over). Clever apologists say, however that Ezekiel was speaking of the city's original site. The site where Tyre sits today is a different site. In actuality Tyre consisted of two cities, a coastal town and an adjacent island town off the coast. Nebuchadnezzar did indeed destroy the coastal town but he wasn't able to anything to the island. Later Alexander the Great built a bridge to reach the island but only managed to destroy half of it. So the prophecy failed in two ways.: it wasn't completely destroyed and, contrary to what God says,

"You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD" --Ezekiel 26:14

Tyre thrives today completely rebuilt. For those who doubt here is a pic of it.
saida-b81a1.jpg


Yahweh was wrong obviously.

Anyway, here is one of the more than 500 most egregious mistakes that IMHO cannot be reconciled even by the most stalwart apologists:

For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. —Exodus 20:5

The child will not share the guilt of the parent ---Ezekiel 18:20

For I am the Lord; I change not. —Malachi 3:6

Really, God? You changed from commanding punishment up to the 4th generation for the father's sin, but 600 years later you now say no punishment will be visited on the son. I wonder how apologists square those two verses without contradicting Malachi 3:6.

This post is already too long. I will introduce other egregious errors as the thread lengthens, providing apologists are brave enough to address the things I said in this OP.
Magenta ^, please.

Gospels is neither authored by G-d nor written by Jesus nor dictated by Jesus so it has to have contradictions, I understand, but our JW friend here told us that Jesus did not have to author or write anything as Jesus had secretaries who recorded everything Jesus told and everything Jesus did. May be Paul or Pauline-Church disclosed it to JWs that Gospels is "inerrant", If I am not wrong, then it is the responsibility of JWs to remove such contradictions or answer for them, if they take it, else one may request the LDS people. May be one gets the answer. Right friend, please?

Regards
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Thesis first subject. Creation existed science didn't.

Relative to all questions.

Rationale and irrationality introduced by science.

First you look back.

Self says knowingly what you lie about today. ....don't look back is evil nuclear reactions.

Yet you did. Even though spiritual self said don't. Want for self science did.

Science did NOT EXIST. Reaction mass already gone. The thesis.

Humans today AI brain effect humanity chanting biblical texts in subliminal adult belief.

Possessed by it.

UFO attacks life made victims. As UFO effect cools other falsely claimed UFO kept me safe.

Bible reason attack stopped did not keep victim safe

Straight away you realise no one spoke for the human victim.

So a theist researcher in book data study spoke for human victimisation against occult UFO satanic life sacrificed and today the victims are still not heard

As long as you are not a victim is all that many humans state is a worthy life. I disagree with a claim if a constant heavenly reacted channel is held forced open the gases will burn as Hawking said and a huge activated vacuum will save life.

Thesis says mother meaning vacuum will save us. Being exactly what he says.

Yet looking back from a human predicted future I would ask what is this carbon mark on the stone...when all humans died.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Bible occult thesis why life was sacrificed.

Predicted bio future atmospheric stated by gas and water thesis only presence. Not reality just a thesis of data inferred.

Genesis is not about reactive changes to the atmospheric body.

Why occultists using medical science wisdom lied. A prediction for cell life is just knowing why we live in an atmospheric support.

Not about whether we will survive a conversion of atmosphere.

Satanism changed the heavens.

Cause effect the God story only some man ark kra mutated human lived after Moses attack statement.

Baboon thesis in beast satanism symbolisms. Kra ...ark real meaning UFO mutation.
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
Please answer this question:

Did Judas throw the 30 pieces of silver back at the Pharisees and then hang himself

OR

Did Judas keep the 30 pieces of silver and use the money to go out and buy a potter's field?
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
It's no secret that God's "inerrant" word is riddled with errors. One can google "Bible contradictions" and come up with with pages and pages of results outlining hundreds if not thousands of errors and contradictions. Whole books on the subject are available on Amazon. Ken Ham wrote a two-volume rebuttal to the most common ones and his treatise doesn't even scratch the surface. I looked at one site and thought I saw 5000. Turns out it was 50,000. It's true that most are of a minor nature, but quite a few--perhaps 500 by my reckoning are egregious enough to be considered serious enough to question the Bible's veracity.

I recently had a short discussion with a member in here about Leviticus 16:34

34 “And this shall be a statute forever for you: Atonement is to be made once a year for all the sins of the Israelites.”

I questioned, "Why did God say the animal sacrifice is to last forever when He knew He'd be sending His son Jesus in 1200 years or so to replace. I would have suspected God would have said, "This statute is only temporary until I send a more perfect sacrifice in the form of my divine son." The truth is IMHO when the scribes wrote out this passage they had absolutely no idea a civilization called Romans would conquer them and destroy Jerusalem and Herod's Temple in 70 CE, therefore they were not in communication with Yahweh when they wrote this ordinance any more than I am in communication with the man in the moon. IOW, this whole atonement thing is a result of a custom that likely evolved over many centuries rather than being handed down by Yahweh all at once.

These errors are why the discipline, apologetics was invented in the first place--to counter with subterfuge or any other means at their disposal to try to make right what was clearly wrong. I can give a few examples of this suberfuge:

“Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever”

Obviously David's throne and kingdom didn't last forever. It ended when the Babylonians marched into Israel. Clever apologists say however that David's throne didn't really end because one day Jesus (who has been set up to be David's offspring via Matthew's and Luke's completely different genealogies for Jesus) will return to earth to claim the throne and rule from it. How this negates the tens of thousands years Israel is and will be without David's house and kingdom until then is a complete mystery to me.

Another is Ezekiel's prophecy that Tyre would be completely destroyed and never rebuilt. Tyre still exists today. You can visit it (when the pandemic is over). Clever apologists say, however that Ezekiel was speaking of the city's original site. The site where Tyre sits today is a different site. In actuality Tyre consisted of two cities, a coastal town and an adjacent island town off the coast. Nebuchadnezzar did indeed destroy the coastal town but he wasn't able to anything to the island. Later Alexander the Great built a bridge to reach the island but only managed to destroy half of it. So the prophecy failed in two ways.: it wasn't completely destroyed and, contrary to what God says,

"You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD" --Ezekiel 26:14

Tyre thrives today completely rebuilt. For those who doubt here is a pic of it.
saida-b81a1.jpg


Yahweh was wrong obviously.

Anyway, here is one of the more than 500 most egregious mistakes that IMHO cannot be reconciled even by the most stalwart apologists:

For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. —Exodus 20:5

The child will not share the guilt of the parent ---Ezekiel 18:20

For I am the Lord; I change not. —Malachi 3:6

Really, God? You changed from commanding punishment up to the 4th generation for the father's sin, but 600 years later you now say no punishment will be visited on the son. I wonder how apologists square those two verses without contradicting Malachi 3:6.

This post is already too long. I will introduce other egregious errors as the thread lengthens, providing apologists are brave enough to address the things I said in this OP.

Politicians and royalty rewrote many bible passages. So, they might have been correct when written, but they might (or might not be) right today.

The fact that there are many versions of the same bible, and not all versions are identical, proves that some bibles were altered.

David's Israel was destroyed, but now exists again.

Tyre (coastal town and island), one was destroyed, as prophesied. AAA fixes flat Tyres.
 
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