Sultan Of Swing
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In just some benign prayers!
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When it comes to Prayer 76% of Americans Don't Give a **** About the Constitution
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SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I'm Canadian, we have the same thing (though less so than we used to). Catholic schools are subsidized by our tax dollars, along with private schools.
I prefer the American version.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Never mind. You obviously are blinded to the religious side of the issues. If it isn't obvious to you my explaining it to you isn't going to do any good.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
I will not hear the arguments of one who is so willingly blind to the religious side of the issues. Have a nice day.
McBell
Unbound
Run Forrest, Run!
Koldo
Outstanding Member
It doesn't matter !
If you favor one religion over another then you have a state religion.
England is just incredibly backwards on certain matters.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
This is your wisdom, oh blind one? Do preach on.
This is a moment of silence. I'm sure I could go look up the labor laws and find out the exact amount of minimum break time employers are required to grant to their workers. (In my state it is a mandatory 10 minute paid break for every 4 hour worked, which can be split up into smaller breaks if necessary. Meal breaks do not count towards the mandatory breaks.)This isn't school prayer. Breathing exercises don't establish religion in a public school and practicing gratitude doesn't promote one religion over other religions or no religion.
This is a completely different issue. No issue really, as no one has ever said students shouldn't be able to breathe or be grateful at school.
Now, I suppose that if the schools are not allowing these breaks to their students, lawsuits may be filed. The likely outcome I see this leading to would be mandatory moments of silence for all students, in order to protect the schools from further lawsuits. I might mention this to the ACLU, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and maybe even The Satanic Temple if I see a push against allowing Moments of Silence in the schools. {just sayin'
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McBell
Unbound
Not my wisdom.
Your Standard Operating Procedure.
Now you have another post to hit reply to and go on another emotional self martyr rant.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
That would be to do with defining the legal definition of marriage, not the religious one. The definitions of marriage according to faith groups are not altered by this decision.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
That's obvious because I asked you to explain yourself? Come on, don't cop out.
I'm quite interested in hearing your defense of your assertions. I do not see how the three things you listed violate anybody's religious freedoms (in fact, I think they do the opposite). And I would love to know why someone does think that those things violate religious freedom.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Kids around here get two recesses and a lunch break. So I'm wondering what you're talking about.This is a moment of silence. I'm sure I could go look up the labor laws and find out the exact amount of minimum break time employers are required to grant to their workers. (In my state it is a mandatory 10 minute paid break for every 4 hour worked, which can be split up into smaller breaks if necessary. Meal breaks do not count towards the mandatory breaks.)
Now, I suppose that if the schools are not allowing these breaks to their students, lawsuits may be filed. The likely outcome I see this leading to would be mandatory moments of silence for all students, in order to protect the schools from further lawsuits. I might mention this to the ACLU, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and maybe even The Satanic Temple if I see a push against allowing Moments of Silence in the schools. {just sayin'
First Baseman
Retired athlete
True but the Constitution specifically states that the making of laws not specifically mentioned in it are delegated to the states. The states have the right to define marriage and the SCOTUS should have recognized that and upheld that right. Instead they stomped on that right.
We might as well just take everything pertaining to states' rights out of the Constitution if the court is going to deny states' rights.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
So if Georgia decided they wanted to reinstate slavery, they should have that right?
Do you really think it makes sense to have certain types of marriage legal in some states but illegal in others? So if I drive across a state line, suddenly I'm not married anymore? How would that even work?
What does this have to do with religious freedom??
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Please read up on it. I don't have the time, I'm at work. The reasons should be obvious, but since they aren't then you probably aren't of the mindset to truly grasp them, anyway.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
The first question is stupid and will be ignored.
The states have the right to define marriage as they see fit and the SCOTUS has no right to deny states the rights to make laws according to the document they are supposed to be supporting.
McBell
Unbound
The fact of the matter is that the Federal Government is required to settle disputes between states.
Once a state decides they are not going to honor the legal marriage of another state, the Federal Government is required to step in.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Where can I read up on your reasons for thinking that those three things violate religious freedom?
Instead of trying to insult me, why not try explaining yourself and your position.
McBell
Unbound
The Federal Government is REQUIRED to settle disputes between states.
Which is exactly what the Federal Government did when it struck down all same sex marriage bans.
The distance from the school to the local mosque was a factor in the truancy that led to the current arrangement (kids would go for Friday prayers and just not come back to school), so it's just as valud to say that it's an issue of urban planning as it is about immigration.
The school, who has custody of the children in their care during school hours, hands kids over to the care of an imam and mosque volunteers and leaves them to do their own thing. When questioned about the arrangement, the school principal said that the kids weren't being supervised by school staff during prayer time.
Fun fact: in Ontario, clergy (of any religion) are legally entitled to access the public schools "in the area where they have pastoral charge." Before I could be admitted to a school as a volunteer, I had to pass a Vulnerable Sector Screening (an enhanced criminal background check for people working with kids or at-risk individuals). Imams and ministers don't have to do this.