When it comes to Prayer 76% of Americans Don't Give a **** About the Constitution

[McBell]

Yep. You're biased. Probably due to your local school system discrediting religion. Point made. Thanks.

are you honestly this ignorant or are you just that dishonest?

I suspect it to be the latter, but wanted to give your martyrship the chance to clarify for the thread which it is.

 

[Demonslayer]

When did I say all faiths should be allowed a prayer led session at school?

So you're essentially admitting you think only Christian prayers should be allowed in schools. SMFH

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, not necessarily. Those students get the pleasure of knowing that they are respecting the rights of those around them. That is a good lesson, I think. The way it is now it looks like the Constitution is against religion when the Constitution actually forbids laws against religion.

Why are we wasting all this time with moments of silence and prayer instead of what is supposed to actually be going on in schools? Teaching and learning about mathematics, reading, science, etc.
This is what I'm wondering.

 

[First Baseman]

are you honestly this ignorant or are you just that dishonest?

I suspect it to be the latter, but wanted to give your martyrship the chance to clarify for the thread which it is.

Those who are prejudiced often call names and what have you to avoid their prejudices being called out. Not gonna work here, buddy.

You're prejudiced against the 1st amendment. You are definitely all for impeding the free exercise of religion. It's obvious.

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting thepetitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

So you're essentially admitting you think only Christian prayers should be allowed in schools. SMFH

I'm not objecting to faith-based schools of any faith.

But I don't see a problem with a public school including prayers in the tradition of the culture and values of the land. (I would object to a public school including prayers not in this tradition.) They aren't being forced down people's throats, as I said here in the UK the people are quite secular but prayers are a benign peaceful thing that people enjoy along with hymns.

 

[crossfire]

Why are we wasting all this time with moments of silence and prayer instead of what is supposed to actually be going on in schools? Teaching and learning about mathematics, reading, science, etc.
This is what I'm wondering.

To allow children to have to chance to develop an appreciation for introspection and having ones own thoughts, and extending that respect to allow others to have their own thoughts, as well.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Those who are prejudiced often call names and what have you to avoid their prejudices being called out. Not gonna work here, buddy.

You're prejudiced against the 1st amendment. You are definitely all for impeding the free exercise of religion. It's obvious.

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting thepetitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

You're against the First Amendment if you think there should be state-sponsored and led Christian prayer in public schools.

And as I pointed out earlier (as have others) nobody is stopping anybody from praying to themselves any darn time and anywhere they feel like it.

 

[McBell]

Those who are prejudiced often call names and what have you to avoid their prejudices being called out. Not gonna work here, buddy.

So it is the latter.
I knew it!

You're prejudiced against the 1st amendment. You are definitely all for impeding the free exercise of religion. It's obvious.

Now that we have established you are not only a martyr seeker, but a dishonest one at that, how is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting thepetitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

and yet you are still going to get arrested for yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre if there is no fire....

Nice try.

 

[SkepticThinker]

To allow children to have to chance to develop an appreciation for introspection and having ones own thoughts, and extending that respect to allow others to have their own thoughts, as well.

And we require moments of prayer in public schools for this?

 

[First Baseman]

You're against the First Amendment if you think there should be state-sponsored and led Christian prayer in public schools.

And as I pointed out earlier (as have others) nobody is stopping anybody from praying to themselves any darn time and anywhere they feel like it.

You are confused. I never said anything about state sponsored anything.

 

[crossfire]

And we require moments of prayer in public schools for this?

I think shared moments of silence is a good thing.

 

[First Baseman]

So it is the latter.
I knew it!


Now that we have established you are not only a martyr seeker, but a dishonest one at that, how is anyone supposed to take you seriously?


and yet you are still going to get arrested for yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre if there is no fire....

Nice try.

Yet I will not get arrested for wearing my cross anywhere I dog gone well choose or praying anywhere I dog gone where choose. That is my point, Mr. Anti-Religion.

You resort to all kinds of mischief to make your point and that only proves you are the anti-religious person you are.

 

[Demonslayer]

Those students get the pleasure of knowing that they are respecting the rights of those around them.

But that's just it, the religious students DON'T have the right to pray during school time and the school does not have the right to sponsor a prayer. That's the point, you do not have the right to take up my child's learning time with your child's religious chantings. No more than I would have the right to demand that, during Catholic Mass after the sermon, all the Catholics "sit quietly" while I read a passage from On the Origin of Species or Green Eggs and Ham.

And if you think it's a 'pleasure' for people who don't believe in God to "sit quietly" while superstitious nudniks make chants and incantations to their Cloud King, you're mistaken. No more than it would be a pleasure for you to sit through 15 minutes of Allah Ackbar or Shabbat Shalom. Those who want it may seek it, those who don't shouldn't have it foisted upon them.

 

[Demonslayer]

I think shared moments of silence is a good thing.

I'd rather my child spend extra time studying.

 

[McBell]

Yet I will not get arrested for wearing my cross anywhere I dog gone well choose or praying anywhere I dog gone where choose. That is my point, Mr. Anti-Religion.

You resort to all kinds of mischief to make your point and that only proves you are the anti-religious person you are.

Please be so kind as to explain how the above quoted emotional rant relates to the thread.

Or are you so emotional upset at being called out that you are just randomly ranting?

 

[First Baseman]

But that's just it, the religious students DON'T have the right to pray during school time and the school does not have the right to sponsor a prayer.

Wrong. We do have that right. Unless the SCOTUS takes it away from us, which is what they seem to have been wont to do.

Congress can make no law impeding our practice of religion. That includes classrooms, study halls, football fields, etc.

 

[First Baseman]

Please be so kind as to explain how the above quoted emotional rant relates to the thread.

Or are you so emotional upset at being called out that you are just randomly ranting?

You are now just acting like an idiot. My "rant" was in response to your prejudice, which is clear as day. How about if you get back to the thread title and just drop this? It is obvious to everyone on here that you are anti-religious so just move on and stop trying to make me look bad in some attempt at saving grace.

You are prejudiced. You yourself have established this fact.

 

[McBell]

Those who are prejudiced often call names and what have you to avoid their prejudices being called out. Not gonna work here, buddy.

Yet I will not get arrested for wearing my cross anywhere I dog gone well choose or praying anywhere I dog gone where choose. That is my point, Mr. Anti-Religion.

You resort to all kinds of mischief to make your point and that only proves you are the anti-religious person you are.

Rather difficult for your martyrism to be taken seriously when your hypocrisy is out in the open....

 

[crossfire]

I think shared moments of silence is a good thing.

Just think about how far it could go to build respect for individuals and individuals to have their own thoughts.

I'd rather my child spend extra time studying.

How is this not the other side of the coin of religious indoctrination? Not even making an allowance of time for a child to have their own thoughts, just for themselves?

 

[McBell]

You are now just acting like an idiot. My "rant" was in response to your prejudice, which is clear as day. How about if you get back to the thread title and just drop this? It is obvious to everyone on here that you are anti-religious so just move on and stop trying to make me look bad in some attempt at saving grace.

You are prejudiced. You yourself have established this fact.

rotflmao

who was that made the bold claim:

"Those who are prejudiced often call names and what have you to avoid their prejudices being called out. Not gonna work here, buddy."​

Oh yeah, that was you....