SkepticThinker
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You are advocating for SCOTUS to seek to restrict and/or prohibit practice of religion in schools? Or you think they are doing that? In what way do you think they are doing that?
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When it comes to Prayer 76% of Americans Don't Give a **** About the Constitution
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SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Yes. It seems to contradict what you said to me earlier.
Perhaps you could clarify.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
This isn't school prayer. Breathing exercises don't establish religion in a public school and practicing gratitude doesn't promote one religion over other religions or no religion.
This is a completely different issue. No issue really, as no one has ever said students shouldn't be able to breathe or be grateful at school.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
They have already done it and I am against it. Heavily.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
I think you misunderstand. I am against the SCOTUS restricting the freedom of religion in every way, shape and form.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
What have they done? Specifics?
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Gee, dude. Roe vs. Wade, decisions taking prayer out of schools, decision to strike down a state law concerning the state's right to define marriage as it sees fit. Surely you read the papers?
Sultan Of Swing
Well-Known Member
Simply as part of public schools, not private schools, which are in keeping with the culture and values of the land - yes, and in a very benign form - just prayers, it's not a big deal.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Yes I do, but I don't see how any of those things violate the First Amendment to the Constitution.
How does Roe v. Wade restrict freedom of religion?
How does taking state-sponsored prayer out of public schools violate religious freedom? (So you were talking about state-sponsored prayer, as I said?)
How does allowing for a broader definition of marriage for anyone who is so inclined to participate a violation of religious freedom?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
The "values of the land" are that anyone is allowed to practice whatever religion they choose (or lack thereof). So why focus on Christianity in public schools?
Skwim
Veteran Member
McBell
Unbound
You will have to explain how Roe vs Wade is a First Ammendment violation.
Or unconstitutional for that matter.
Prayer has not been taken out of school.
Government sponsored prayer is not allowed in schools.
The states are the ones who required the federal government to step in.
Had the states not declared they would not recognize the legal marriage of other states then the Federal Government would not have had to step in at all.
So far you are batting a thousand in fails.
Perhaps you have better examples?
No, it's an issue of church-state separation. When you give any religion the power of government, you open the door for the next big religion to come along to have the same power... regardless of whether you approve of that other religion.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Just CHRISTIAN prayers right?
Sultan Of Swing
Well-Known Member
Christianity is an integral part of the culture and heritage, that's why. No one is being forced to follow a religion, I am simply saying it is reasonable for a public school to have prayers in keeping with the religion that is a part of the culture and heritage of the country.
As I said it's not a big deal, if there is enough opposition then it defeats the point and the schools should go full secular. In Britain, we are in such a state of post-Christianity that most non-Christians aren't frothing at the mouth but rather quite enjoy Christian prayers and hymns.
Sultan Of Swing
Well-Known Member
I don't see how this would be possible without mass immigration. So it is an issue of mass immigration.
And prayers in school is hardly giving a religion 'the power of government', this is just exaggeration.
Sultan Of Swing
Well-Known Member
In keeping with the culture, heritage and values of the land...
So yes.
Muslims can feel free to open a private schools if they are too offended. Fortunately most are reasonable people who have no problem with such.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
The US Constitution is the only one that I'm aware of that is secular in nature. So going with the "values of the land" would be to favor secularism.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
It is exactly that. It is the government (i.e. public schools) favoring/promoting one particular religion over all others.
Sultan Of Swing
Well-Known Member
I suppose my perspective is a bit skewed being a filthy Brit, we have an established church and bishops in the House of Lords, etc.
I still don't see a massive problem with it, why not just leave it to the states to decide?