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When it comes to Prayer 76% of Americans Don't Give a **** About the Constitution

9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
First Baseman said:
You can get off your soapbox now. I'm not praying in public. I'm just telling you how it is. You people have been trying to shut us Christians up since the beginning.
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Most of the people trying to shut Christians up have been - and continue to be - other Christians of competing denominations.

The Protestants and the Catholics have killed way more Christians than Diocletian or Nero ever did. The worst persecutors of Christians are Christians.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Lyndon said:
You don't seem to understand that science is in its infancy, what we know by science is vastly outnumbered by what we don't know, yet.
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If you go strictly by modern science, it's been around for awhile. If you broaden your scope, we've been testing and observing for a very long time, and even ancient cultures before the age of modern science made observations and discoveries that are cornerstones of modern science. And of course there is more that we don't know than what we do know. Our species will probably never reach a point where we know more than what is left to be known.
Lyndon said:
If God exists, God is part of the natural universe, hence a part of science.
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If, but because it is an if it is not taught as science. "If" is the hypothesis and testing. There would be too much to ever have an adequate test if science class taught the unproven "ifs."
Lyndon said:
Proving the existence of God scientifically would be up to the scientists that find a way to test for God's existence, show scientific surveys of the relative success of people who pray to God vs those who don't, etc etc.
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This is more of why it's not science. Even with science, it's even possible to put things in laymen's terms so that everyone can understand it. You don't have to study magneticism to understand magnets, you don't have to be a biologist to learn about bacteria or evolution, and you don't have to be a chemist to learn about oxygen. You would at least be able to link us to sources that have peer reviewed data that proves their is a creator. Creationism does have its place in certain classes, but because no one has been able to show evidence of the existence of a creator, it isn't a scientific idea, making it unsuitable for a science class.
 
First Baseman

First Baseman

Retired athlete
Skwim said:
Stop setting yourself up for a graceful exit and show some backbone. We address challenges in the order they're made. So . . .

You claimed without qualification that "the existence of God is not non science at all," or in other words, "the existence of God is science." So, show us the science and stop the tap dancing.


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SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Lyndon said:
know what a theory is, its a postulation of reasons for an action to happen, gods involvement is one of several theories as to the evolutionary process, Gods non involvement or non existence in the process is another theory, Deism is a third theory for the process, all should be taught in school, but the main emphasis should by science as it is already being taught, not teaching students that there are other theories involving god is not science it is brainwashing, every student deserves to be taught that some people believe a God was involved, because no scientist in their right mind could prove that there wasn't a god involved, that it is an impossible situation.

What they don't need to be taught is religious mythology about "how" God created the world, and "how" the world is only 6000 years old and other nonsense like that.
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None of those are scientific theories. Therefore, they are not taught in science class.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Lyndon said:
Gravity and germs, tectonic plates etc are not theories they are established facts, evolution as taught in public schools is a theory, not a proven fact, evolution as a process existing in nature is a proven fact, but the idea that matter moves from a state of supreme primitiveness to more, and more, and more complicated and intricate life forms with out any external influence, just matter creating matter, is by no means possible a proven fact but a theory, that's why they call it the theory of evolution, just like the theory of creationism, or the theory of intelligent design. All three are theories because they are possible explanations for how our world came to be as it is, you may argue one theory is much more likely to be true than another, but you cannot prove 100% that either theory is false.
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They are scientific theories. So is evolution.

http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html

Creationism and intelligent design are not scientific theories.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Lyndon said:
You seem to be confusing fact with theory, once something has be 100% established to be true, it is no longer a theory, it becomes a fact, evolution has been proven as a fact to occur sometimes, to say that all life evolved purely through evolution is only a theory, not a 100% proven fact, sort of like the big bang, definitely a theory, not an established fact. Gravity on the other hand is a 100% proven fact, if you don't believe me, goodby as you fly off into space!!
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No, it always remains a scientific theory.

Germ theory of disease
universal theory of gravity
theory of evolution
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Lyndon said:
So why would you possibly be opposed to a not more than one page in the biology text book covering the beliefs of well over 50% of our population that a higher power was involved in the creation/evolutionary process presented as one theory, you can even say thoroughly denied by most scientists, why shouldn't people be given choices in what they believe. And you are flat out wrong if you belief you have to have proof to believe in something, that's nonsense,everyone has tonnes of beliefs in things that can not be 100% proven, that's just human nature.
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Because. It's. Not. Science.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Lyndon said:
That's what you don't seem to understand, God is part of science just like quasars, nebulas, and galaxies are part of science, there is nothing unscientific about giving some mention to the theory that God exists and is involved in creation
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How do we test for god? How can we figure out which god it is?
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
lostwanderingsoul said:
If you see leaves fluttering on trees you know the wind is blowing but you do not see the wind. When you see the works of God you should know God exists but your eyes have been blinded and you do not realize what you are seeing.That is what makes it difficult for people, God is invisible like the wind but you do not want to believe in God so you deny His existance but you accept the existence of the wind because you say it is natural movement of the air. And you cannot see the air either. So it comes down to faith. Almost everyone has faith that the air exists but not everyone has faith in God. And it is not your fault. God does not give faith to everyone. So He does not expect everyone to believe in Him. But you do not have to say that people who do believe are wrong.
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We can measure the wind and demonstrate that it exists. How do we do that with god(s)?
 
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