When it comes to Prayer 76% of Americans Don't Give a **** About the Constitution

[metis]

nonsense

Then it's very clear you have not read any books by research cosmologists. Maybe expand your horizons a bit and do some serious reading on the subject. Heck, even the Wikipedia article on it provides links to studies, so maybe you can start with your education on this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The strongest evidence of God's existence is the billions of people that claim to benefit from God's existence, that's pretty scientific.

A ton of people have also gotten benefits from placebo actions and sugar pills. We can analyze these things in social sciences, but it doesn't mean the sugar pills have real beneficial properties. Some people even insist smoking cigarettes is good for them, but we have evidence to the contrary.

Actually there is no evidence that you exist either, you could just be an atheist computer programme.

That is a poor argument, not at all based on reality, and I've already said I'm not an atheist.

I don't think any experimental evidence could possibly disprove God, because God exists.

If god exists, then how do we test for god? What predictions can we rely on if god exists? How do we know which god/gods/goddess/etc. does exist? How do we know if god has a god or not?

 

[Lyndon]

We don't have to prove anything, just accept that God exists.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We don't have to prove anything, just accept that God exists.

If you make a claim, you have to provide evidence of your claim.

 

[Lyndon]

If you make a claim, you have to provide evidence of your claim.

Total BS, I don't have to prove anything, and I can make any claim I want, it was a free country.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think any experimental evidence could possibly disprove God, because God exists.

That's all well & good to believe.
But it's an a priori philosophical postulate, argument & conclusion all wrapped up
into one tidy package, & therefore not science. Thus, it shouldn't be taught as such.

 

[Lyndon]

What are you so afraid of, that people might learn about God in school, and make up their own mind and start believing in God, perish the thought, I see you must be afraid, what a catastrophe for the forces of darkness.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Total BS, I don't have to prove anything, and I can make any claim I want, it was a free country.

It's called "burden of proof." If you make the claim, it is up to you to provide the evidence. It is not the responsibility of others to assume your responsibilities.

What are you so afraid of, that people might learn about God in school, and make up their own mind and start believing in God, perish the thought, I see you must be afraid, what a catastrophe for the forces of darkness.

Or are you afraid that people are seeing through you and you can't provide evidence when asked?

 

[Revoltingest]

What are you so afraid of, that people might learn about God in school, and make up their own mind and start believing in God, perish the thought, I see you must be afraid, what a catastrophe for the forces of darkness.

Actually, I fear (although "fear" is too strong a word) several things.....
- Valuable school time wasted on unproductive things
- Proselytization at taxpayer expense
- Much turmoil, political wrangling, court fights & general distraction from arguing which religions should be taught as "the truth"
- Atheists demanding equal time to rail against your "God". (We heathens can be so annoying when riled.)

Some questions.....
1) How did you establish this exact number of "one" for the quantity of gods?
It could range from zero to an infinite number.
And show your work....I want to see the calculations.
(With a 150 IQ, I know you can handle the math.)
2) Which god concepts should be taught?
Catholic? Jewish? Muslim? Revoltifarian? Norse? Greek? Amercastanian Indian? Hindu? Scientiology? Wiccan?
3) You oppose the "dark forces", but don't they (ie, the left hand path) deserve equal time too?

 

[Lyndon]

Actually, I fear (although "fear" is too strong a word) several things.....
- Valuable school time wasted on unproductive things
- Proselytization at taxpayer expense
- Much turmoil, political wrangling, court fights & general distraction from arguing which religions should be taught as "the truth"
- Atheists demanding equal time to rail against your "God". (We heathens can be so annoying when riled.)

Some questions.....
1) How did you establish this exact number of "one" for the quantity of gods?
It could range from zero to an infinite number.
And show your work....I want to see the calculations.
(With a 150 IQ, I know you can handle the math.)
2) Which god concepts should be taught?
Catholic? Jewish? Muslim? Revoltifarian? Norse? Greek? Amercastanian Indian? Hindu? Scientiology? Wiccan?
3) You oppose the "dark forces", but don't they (ie, the left hand path) deserve equal time too?

I don't know if you know this, but most civilized countries, like my country, Australia, teach a world religions course in High school. America has a stupid constitution, that makes them do some stupid things IMHO. We also have gun control and one of the lowest per capita firearm fatality rates, less than 10% that of the USA I believe, call us primitives.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't know if you know this, but most civilized countries, like my country, Australia, teach a world religions course in High school. America has a stupid constitution,

There is nothing preventing us from having a "world religions" course.

 

[metis]

We don't have to prove anything, just accept that God exists.

Blind faith may be satisfying, and there's always the remote possibility one could be right, but some of us tend to put more emphasis on studies and science than blind faith. Hey, to each his/her own I guess.

 

[metis]

There is nothing preventing us from having a "world religions" course.

Yes, and I taught one for two years.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know if you know this, but most civilized countries, like my country, Australia, teach a world religions course in High school. America has a stupid constitution, that makes them do some stupid things IMHO. We also have gun control and one of the lowest per capita firearm fatality rates, less than 10% that of the USA I believe, call us primitives.

Does being taught world religions cause strict gun control?
Anyway, I thought you were talking about teaching "God" as an alternative to scientific theories.
But if you propose only teaching about religions as part of cultures, I could live with that.
Although, as an elective, I'd skip it.
There are many more useful courses to take, such as......
Celestial mechanics, rheology, basket weaving

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Total BS, I don't have to prove anything, and I can make any claim I want, it was a free country.

@Shadow Wolf , @metis and others are talking in the context of debate and argument. Of course you're allowed to make any claim you want; but as it is a free country we're also allowed to, without evidence, dismiss the claims you are both unwilling & unable to back up, and call you out on peddling unsubstantiated arguments.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes, and I taught one for two years.

I didn't teach it, but I took one. I even still remember reading about one shaman who leaves his home with a shotgun because he's a shaman to his village, but an evil sorcerer to other villages, to the point the anthropologist doing the field work was asked by members of other villages why he would even want to associate with the sorcerer.

 

[metis]

What are you so afraid of, that people might learn about God in school, and make up their own mind and start believing in God, perish the thought, I see you must be afraid, what a catastrophe for the forces of darkness.

What a bizarre and disingenuous response.

First of all, I am not an atheist, so I'm certainly not "afraid" of any theistic evidence you or anyone might come up with. Secondly, can you read my signature statement at the bottom of all my posts? Do I need to explain it? Thirdly, if I supposedly am so afraid of "learning about God", then maybe you can figure out why I attend synagogue and also church services with my wife almost every weekend?

What you are showing is that you are all too willing to jump to all sorts of unwarranted conclusions based on blind belief minus any evidence whatsoever, and you have offered nothing to justify your positions on both theistic causation and also my supposed motivation in posting what I have.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

What are you so afraid of, that people might learn about God in school, and make up their own mind and start believing in God, perish the thought, I see you must be afraid, what a catastrophe for the forces of darkness.

Is teaching about your god in church not enough? Do you need to have a monopoly on what kids to learn to prevent them from doing anything as dangerous as thinking critically or asking questions?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I don't know if you know this, but most civilized countries, like my country, Australia, teach a world religions course in High school. America has a stupid constitution, that makes them do some stupid things IMHO. We also have gun control and one of the lowest per capita firearm fatality rates, less than 10% that of the USA I believe, call us primitives.

If you could write your own legal document, what would you put in it? Do you think you could do a better job than the U.S. Constitution's writers?

 

[Lyndon]

Metis, Who said my comment was directed at you??