When it comes to Prayer 76% of Americans Don't Give a **** About the Constitution

[Revoltingest]

Metis, Who said my comment was directed at you??

Well, you did direct it towards Groundskeeper Willie.
And he is one too.

Oops...I thought you posted to the Greased Scotsman.

 

[Lyndon]

If you could write your own legal document, what would you put in it? Do you think you could do a better job than the U.S. Constitution's writers?

I would base it on the essay I have below in the link in my signature, trickle up economic theory, perhaps you should read it

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I would base it on the essay I have below in the link in my signature, trickle up economic theory, perhaps you should read it

I'll take your advice and have a look!

Oh and I'll reword my previous request in the hopes of a more direct answer (not that I didn't appreciate the last one). What do you see as wrong with the U.S. Constitution? What do you see as right with it?

Please be as specific as you can.

 

[metis]

Metis, Who said my comment was directed at you??

Sorry about that because I didn't realize that someone had posted that which you were responding to, whereas I cannot see his posts. Usage of the ignore list does have a disadvantage with that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry about that because I didn't realize that someone had posted that which you were responding to, whereas I cannot see his posts. Usage of the ignore list does have a disadvantage with that.

See....you know that you'll never really grok a discussion when you have me on <ignore>.
The <ignore> function.....tis a sign of weakness & fragility.
The strong read all !!
Notice that @Lyndon does not retreat from controversy.
(But a man sporting that coiffure is obviously fearless.)

 

[Demonslayer]

I think we should interrupt every church service with a forced moment of silence so people can think about physics.

Everyone on board?

 

[Lyndon]

I'll take your advice and have a look!

Oh and I'll reword my previous request in the hopes of a more direct answer (not that I didn't appreciate the last one). What do you see as wrong with the U.S. Constitution? What do you see as right with it?

Please be as specific as you can.

The biggest flaw, it doesn't guarantee basic subsistence living and health care for all citizens, that's what my essay is about, the other issues of what should go into a constitution are not really my field of expertise.

 

[Lyndon]

See....you know that you'll never really grok a discussion when you have me on <ignore>.
The <ignore> function.....tis a sign of weakness & fragility.
The strong read all !!
Notice that @Lyndon does not retreat from controversy.
(But a man sporting that coiffure is obviously fearless.)

Well said revolt, what if someone you had on ignore was the first person to witness a tornado coming your way, too bad for you because you have em on ignore!!!

 

[metis]

I think we should interrupt every church service with a forced moment of silence so people can think about physics.

Everyone on board?

LOL!

Reminds me of an incident whereas I brought in a Baptist deacon to speak in favor of creationism in my anthropology course, and he thanked me for being so "open-minded" so as to allow him to make his case. In return, I mentioned that I could return the favor and speak to his Bible study students about humans and the evolutionary process. He just looked at me and smiled.

Needless to say, I never was asked, but the irony is that we actually became quite good friends. I found out later that he actually left the Baptist faith, but I hope I wasn't the cause of that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well said revolt, what if someone you had on ignore was the first person to witness a tornado coming your way, too bad for you because you have em on ignore!!!

I think @metis might not warn me of a charging tornado anyway.
If my house flew to the land of Oz, there'd be one less annoying
Libertarian in his beloved blue state. Also, I'm a Loper (aka troll).

 

[metis]

Well said revolt, what if someone you had on ignore was the first person to witness a tornado coming your way, too bad for you because you have em on ignore!!!

LOL!

BTW, even the Dalai Lama teaches that it is often best to avoid certain people because they may bring out the worst in us, and I just so happen to believe he is correct on that, as well as some other things.

 

[Revoltingest]

LOL!

BTW, even the Dalai Lama teaches.....I just so happen to believe he is correct on that, as well as some other things.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The strongest evidence of God's existence is the billions of people that claim to benefit from God's existence, that's pretty scientific.

What's scientific about it?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Total BS, I don't have to prove anything, and I can make any claim I want, it was a free country.

Sure you can claim or believe whatever you want. But don't claim that's science

Actually, I fear (although "fear" is too strong a word) several things.....
- Valuable school time wasted on unproductive things
- Proselytization at taxpayer expense
- Much turmoil, political wrangling, court fights & general distraction from arguing which religions should be taught as "the truth"
- Atheists demanding equal time to rail against your "God". (We heathens can be so annoying when riled.)

Some questions.....
1) How did you establish this exact number of "one" for the quantity of gods?
It could range from zero to an infinite number.
And show your work....I want to see the calculations.
(With a 150 IQ, I know you can handle the math.)
2) Which god concepts should be taught?
Catholic? Jewish? Muslim? Revoltifarian? Norse? Greek? Amercastanian Indian? Hindu? Scientiology? Wiccan?
3) You oppose the "dark forces", but don't they (ie, the left hand path) deserve equal time too?

This ^^

 

[Lyndon]

Polling peoples opinions is actually a part of science, a lot of scientific studies involve sample interview and polling of people to come to conclusions. The evidence for the bad effects of cigarette smoking were developed from such surveys.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Polling peoples opinions is actually a part of science, a lot of scientific studies involve sample interview and polling of people to come to conclusions. The evidence for the bad effects of cigarette smoking were developed from such surveys.

You claimed that lots of people benefit from god's existence. I wonder how you've determined that without demonstrating the existence of god.

I mean, it's one thing to claim that people benefit from the belief that some god exists. But that wouldn't be a demonstration for the actual existence of god(s).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Polling peoples opinions is actually a part of science, a lot of scientific studies involve sample interview and polling of people to come to conclusions. The evidence for the bad effects of cigarette smoking were developed from such surveys.

While that is true, opinion polling has limited applications. We can poll people to see how many people believe in the existence of a god, but that does not prove the existence of a god. Lots of people believe shaving thickens your hair, but that does not happen despite what people believe. Many people also believe cracking your knuckles will give you arthritis, but science studies have proven otherwise. It also used to be a common belief that the Earth is flat and that the sun revolves around it, but obviously this belief did not match reality nor did it shape and influence reality. And we didn't learn of the adverse health effects of smoking by polling people, as many people believed it wasn't bad for you, but through statistical analysis of health records a very strong correlation was established - and even then many people went on insisting that smoking isn't bad for you.

 

[Lyndon]

Just to give you an example of a scientific testing of the effects of God, you could poll people diagnosed with cancer, and see if there is any difference in the survival rate for people that are religious or have a lot of friends and relatives praying for them vs, atheist and non believers survival rate. Of course you could claim any benefits for believers was all psychological, and their belief in God tricked them to fight or not fight the cancer, but at least it would give some scientific testing of the benefits or detriments of being a believer or not.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just to give you an example of a scientific testing of the effects of God, you could poll people diagnosed with cancer, and see if there is any difference in the survival rate for people that are religious or have a lot of friends and relatives praying for them vs, atheist and non believers survival rate. Of course you could claim any benefits for believers was all psychological, and their belief in God tricked them to fight or not fight the cancer, but at least it would give some scientific testing of the benefits or detriments of being a believer or not.

This is, as you say, a good test about belief being useful in recovering from a disease.
But does this make belief proof of the existence of gods?

Consider this article.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dismiss-religion-irrational-unscientific.html
Does this mean that disbelief makes me more smarter?
And if the article is correct, does our being smarter mean that our opinions should carry more weight?

 

[Demonslayer]

Just to give you an example of a scientific testing of the effects of God, you could poll people diagnosed with cancer, and see if there is any difference in the survival rate for people that are religious or have a lot of friends and relatives praying for them vs, atheist and non believers survival rate.

LOL, bad choice of an example to argue for your side.

They have done this study over and over and over again and proven no link between prayers and healing. In fact the only significant thing they found was people who knew they were being prayed for got better LESS...presumably because the knowledge of the prayer made them anxious ("am I THAT sick?") or that those waiting for prayers to help them had less natural fight in them than those who didn't.

Just one example of such a study is at the link below. There have been so many of these studies that there are now meta-studies summarizing all of the studies on the efficacy of prayer. Each and every one shows the same thing: prayer does nothing whatsoever to heal the sick.

People say a lot "you can't prove there is no God." This is true, however we can, and have already, disproved many claims people make about God. Prayer healing the sick is one of those.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html?_r=0