When Jesus Comes Back...What Will He Come Back As?

[`mud]

REALLY !!
The world is insane, me included !
To even have a vision of this happening,
is totally insane.

 

[stvdv]

Like most sensible people on this planet, I know that when Jesus comes back, he will be an American, and not just an American, but an Evangelical American, and not just an Evangelical American, but an Evangelical American of the Dominionist variety -- for how could he otherwise avoid being a heretic?

So, would you be disappointed if Jesus failed to come back as a member of your religion and/or denomination of your religion? Do you even expect him back as a Christian of any sort?

Beyond that, what other things is he likely to come back as, in your best guess?

I don't care so much which denomination Jesus will choose
BUT for God's sake, bring us the newest Bible updates
[I am not picky, Digital would be best, I would say .pdf]

 

[stvdv]

Do you even expect him back as a Christian of any sort?
Beyond that, what other things is he likely to come back as, in your best guess?

Jesus as a Christian: Christians will never believe it, even if they see it [Last time Jesus could show holes in body; should be healed by now]
Jesus as a Muslim: Muslims will never believe it, like Christians too scared for "false prophets", and both think to know it all
Jesus as an Atheist: That would be the topper IMHO. They tried so hard to say "we lack believe in God" + keep the theist grounded. Best choice IMO.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Like most sensible people on this planet, I know that when Jesus comes back, he will be an American, and not just an American, but an Evangelical American, and not just an Evangelical American, but an Evangelical American of the Dominionist variety -- for how could he otherwise avoid being a heretic?

So, would you be disappointed if Jesus failed to come back as a member of your religion and/or denomination of your religion? Do you even expect him back as a Christian of any sort?

Beyond that, what other things is he likely to come back as, in your best guess?

A great king destroying the armies aligned against Israel. The Bible is extremely detailed and specific in this regard, and in multiple books of both testaments. First Advent: Savior. Second Advent: King of the World and Victor.

 

[Trailblazer]

I don't care so much which denomination Jesus will choose
BUT for God's sake, bring us the newest Bible updates
[I am not picky, Digital would be best, I would say .pdf]

Why would we need an update of the Bible?
Why not a whole new set of scriptures?
Besides, Jesus did not write the Bible, so why would Jesus update it?

 

[stvdv]

Why would we need an update of the Bible?
Why not a whole new set of scriptures?
Besides, Jesus did not write the Bible, so why would Jesus update it?

That, my friend, might have been the problem all along "Jesus did not write it"
So definitely I prefer Jesus Himself to give it to us, for exactly that reason
If He calls it Bible or Update or New set, is just semantics. Not important to me

But you, being Bahai, I understand your problem here with update of the Bible
And I read into your implication of "New set of scriptures" the Bahai books
I can be wrong of course, but that is just my gut feeling here.
If I remember well Bahai says that next 1000 years or so Bahai will be enough.

 

[Trailblazer]

So we should be looking for someone well versed in most religions; yet doesn't fit into them, as his opinion is vastly more knowledgeable.

Baha'u'llah had knowledge from God so He was vastly more knowledgeable than any human being.

“O KING! I was but a man like others, asleep upon My couch, when lo, the breezes of the All-Glorious were wafted over Me, and taught Me the knowledge of all that hath been. This thing is not from Me, but from One Who is Almighty and All-Knowing. And He bade Me lift up My voice between earth and heaven, and for this there befell Me what hath caused the tears of every man of understanding to flow. The learning current amongst men I studied not; their schools I entered not. Ask of the city wherein I dwelt, that thou mayest be well assured that I am not of them who speak falsely. This is but a leaf which the winds of the will of thy Lord, the Almighty, the All-Praised, have stirred.” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 57

However, Baha'u'llah did not reveal all that He knew to mankind. He only revealed what mankind will be capable of understanding during His Dispensation, and what we needed to know

“Oh, would that the world could believe Me! Were all the things that lie enshrined within the heart of Bahá, and which the Lord, His God, the Lord of all names, hath taught Him, to be unveiled to mankind, every man on earth would be dumbfounded.

How great the multitude of truths which the garment of words can never contain! How vast the number of such verities as no expression can adequately describe, whose significance can never be unfolded, and to which not even the remotest allusions can be made! How manifold are the truths which must remain unuttered until the appointed time is come! Even as it hath been said: “Not everything that a man knoweth can be disclosed, nor can everything that he can disclose be regarded as timely, nor can every timely utterance be considered as suited to the capacity of those who hear it.

Of these truths some can be disclosed only to the extent of the capacity of the repositories of the light of Our knowledge, and the recipients of Our hidden grace.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 176

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Like most sensible people on this planet, I know that when Jesus comes back, he will be an American, and not just an American, but an Evangelical American, and not just an Evangelical American, but an Evangelical American of the Dominionist variety -- for how could he otherwise avoid being a heretic?
So, would you be disappointed if Jesus failed to come back as a member of your religion and/or denomination of your religion? Do you even expect him back as a Christian of any sort?
Beyond that, what other things is he likely to come back as, in your best guess?

I find we read at Hebrews 9:24 that resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus presented himself to his God in Heaven.
So, when Jesus was resurrected by his God, then Jesus was resurrected back in his heavenly spirit body.
The same spirit body that the pre-human Jesus had in Heaven before his God sent Jesus to Earth for us.
There is No reason to think of Jesus as an American because Jesus is King (Ruler) of God's kingdom government of Daniel 2:44. Jesus being resurrected in his heavenly body allowed spirit Jesus to present his life as a Ransom value to his God for us.
That allows the executional words from Jesus' mouth to rid the Earth of the wicked as mentioned at Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16, so No visible Jesus is needed to come back to accomplish that.
We are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come! Come and bring the benefits of Revelation 22:2 that there will be 'healing for earth's nations' . A visible Jesus does Not have to be present to accomplish that earth-wide 'healing' blessing.

 

[wizanda]

Baha'u'llah

The issue with this is prophecy by Yeshua says the Son of man shall come just before the days of Noah or Lot (Luke 17:22)...

We are still here; so Baha'u'llah didn't bring the fire that cleanses mankind at the end of this Age.

In my opinion.

 

[Trailblazer]

That, my friend, might have been the problem all along "Jesus did not write it"
So definitely I prefer Jesus Himself to give it to us, for exactly that reason
If He calls it Bible or Update or New set, is just semantics. Not important to me

But you, being Bahai, I understand your problem here with update of the Bible
And I read into your implication of "New set of scriptures" the Bahai books
I can be wrong of course, but that is just my gut feeling here.
If I remember well Bahai says that next 1000 years or so Bahai will be enough.

Yes, you are pretty much on target.

Aside from what you said which is correct, as a Baha'i I do not think it is possible for the same man Jesus to return in the same body because I do not believe that the same man Jesus is still alive in heaven... There is no atmosphere in heaven, so a physical body cannot live in heaven... Only a spiritual body (soul) can live in heaven, so that is what returned from heaven when Christ returned.

Mark 14: 62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Did you ever wonder why Jesus did not say “And then shall they see me coming in the clouds with great power and glory?”

The title Son of man does not apply to Jesus.

To explain in brief, Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven means that the return of the Christ Spirit promised in the Bible will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God, and will appear in the form of a human being. The term “heaven” means loftiness and exaltation. Although Jesus was delivered from the womb of His mother, in reality He descended from the heaven of the will of God. Though dwelling on this earth, His true habitation was the realms above. While walking among mortals on earth, Jesus soared in the heaven of the divine presence.

Baha’u’llah cleared up the meaning of clouds inThe Kitáb-i-Íqán. He devoted quite a bit of text to explaining what clouds means. To paraphrase Baha’u’llah, Son of man coming on the clouds means that the return of the Christ Spirit will appear in the form of another human being. The term “clouds” as used in the Bible means those things that are contrary to the ways and desires of men. Just like the physical clouds prevent the eyes of men from beholding the sun, these things hindered men from recognizing the return of Christ.

 

[stvdv]

To explain in brief, Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven means

When the old scriptures were written there were no airplanes. But a visionair could have seen it all of course.

So I believe it simply means that Jesus will come with His own private Jet. Many Americans already have one, why not Jesus?

Of course, just my imagination. I much more like the scenario of Jesus flying like Superman through the skies

 

[Twilight Hue]

Setting aside validity for sake of argument.

What exactly would people use to verify its Jesus and not another person or entity ?

Apparently from the way it sounds, there are multiple Jesus's on the way, with some of them already here.

 

[Trailblazer]

The issue with this is prophecy by Yeshua says the Son of man shall come just before the days of Noah or Lot (Luke 17:22)...

Luke 17
Where does it say that the Son of man shall come just before the days of Noah or Lot?
I do not interpret that verse or the ones around it the way you do.

22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

• The disciples will not see the the days of the Son of man because the Son of man (Baha'u'llah) will not come within their lifetimes.

23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

• This prophecy was fulfilled by Baha'u'llah. That is explained in the book entitled Thief in the Night. Here is an excerpt from that chapter.

18. Lightning from the East

I now began an earnest search for clues that would tell me something about the place in which the Messiah would appear. Two interesting things came to light. For the first coming, Daniel had given the time and Micah had given the place. Daniel had prophesied exactly when the Messiah would appear the first time and when He would be slain. Micah had said of the place:“But thou, Bethlehem … out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel.” (Micah 5:2)

Daniel had also prophesied with even greater exactness the time of the second coming of the Messiah in 1844 (see p. 20). Therefore, I turned to Micah for a possible clue as to the place of His second appearance. I was richly rewarded. In Micah 7:7 and 12 I found:

“I will wait for the God of my salvation … In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria …” (Micah 7:7, 12)

The Assyrian Empire at one time covered the entire area in which both Daniel and Micah lived out their lives. Therefore, I chose to study those parts of the Empire, in which these two prophets traditionally lived and taught. To my surprise, I found that there were many other clues to follow as well. Gradually one led to another, until a definite picture began to emerge, and I knew at least in which direction to turn my gaze.

The book of Ezekiel spoke of a great Figure who would come in those days. He said:“And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east.” (Ezekiel 43:2)

This was clearly a reference to the second coming of Christ and not the first, for Jesus did not come from the way of the East, He came from north and west of Jerusalem. Isaiah in like manner spoke of the wondrous Figure who would come from the East. Isaiah said that it was God Himself Who had “… raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings.” (Isaiah 41:2) Even Christ Himself pointed to the direction from which He would appear in the day of His second coming. Speaking of that day, He said: “For as the lightning cometh out of the East … so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” (Matthew 24:27)

The Jewish Oracles, the Sibylline books, prophesied that the ‘King Messiah’ of the time of the end would come ‘from the sunrise’. (The Messianic Idea in Israel, J. G. Klausner, 1956, p. 376). Daniel had written his words of millennial prophecy while in the East. In fact, he was in Elam, a part of ancient Persia, when he foretold with such startling accuracy the exact time of both the first and the second comings of Christ. It was in the capital city of Persia, Shúshán, (Ancient Susa, Khúzistán, south-west Írán) that Daniel had the prophetic vision that revealed the year 1844 as the time for the return of the Messiah. Daniel not only gave the time 1844, but he also directed attention to the place, saying that ‘Elam’ (Persia) would be given as a place of ‘vision’ in the latter days (Daniel 8:2). The Prophet Jeremiah speaks of things that ‘shall come to pass in the latter days’ and in the verse preceding this, he says: “And I will set my throne in Elam (Persia) … saith the Lord.” (Jeremiah 49:38). I came across a prophecy well known among the Arabs. Speaking of the time of the end, it said: “When the promised One appears, the ‘upholders of His faith shall be the people of Persia.’” (The Dawn-breakers, Nabíl, p. 49). All these prophecies clearly showed that the Messiah would come from the East, and they put a strong emphasis on the territory of Persia. It was something definite to go on. The circle was narrowing. William Sears, Thief in the Night, pp. 73-75

25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

• This prophecy was clearly fulfilled by Baha'u'llah, who suffered many things and was rejected by His generation during His 40 year mission on earth.

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

• This prophecy says "as it was in the days of Noe." It does not say just before the days of Noah or Lot.

We are still here; so Baha'u'llah didn't bring the fire that cleanses mankind at the end of this Age.

Again, that is according to your interpretation of scripture. If I knew what verses you are referring to I could explain what I believe they mean.

Have you ever noticed that Christians do not interpret the scripture the same way and Christians do not agree on what will happen at the time of the end? Some think Jesus is coming back, others do not even believe that. Some Christians believe the world will end, others believe that the world will be restored to the Garden of Eden.

What does that tell you, logically speaking? It is logically impossible for all of them to be right since they contradict one another, so who is to say which one is right? They all believe that their interpretation is right, but what makes any one of them right and all the other Christians are wrong?

 

[David1967]

Like most sensible people on this planet, I know that when Jesus comes back, he will be an American, and not just an American, but an Evangelical American, and not just an Evangelical American, but an Evangelical American of the Dominionist variety -- for how could he otherwise avoid being a heretic?

So, would you be disappointed if Jesus failed to come back as a member of your religion and/or denomination of your religion? Do you even expect him back as a Christian of any sort?

Beyond that, what other things is he likely to come back as, in your best guess?

I would like to think that He would be far removed from all the petty tribalism we see in religion today. No more,'My club is better than your club' mindset. It would certainly be an interesting time.

 

[David1967]

What exactly would people use to verify its Jesus and not another person or entity ?

That's easy. He would say, "Hello, I'm Jesus."

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's easy. He would say, "Hello, I'm Jesus."

Come to think of it we had a few here that came by already on the forum. ;0)

 

[stvdv]

What exactly would people use to verify its Jesus and not another person or entity ?

Christians won't believe Him unless He states "I am the truth, no one comes to the Father unless accepting me"
Others won't believe Him IF He states "I am the truth, no one comes to the Father unless accepting me"

So Jesus needs to be quite creative to solve this little riddle

 

[stvdv]

Come to think of it we had a few here that came by already on the forum

You have only seen the tip of the iceberg.
Many Jesus'es will follow soon I believe.
I mean look-alikes, or better fake-alikes.

 

[David1967]

Come to think of it we had a few here that came by already on the forum. ;0)

I remember that. On second thought, maybe not so easy.

 

[wizanda]

It is logically impossible for all of them to be right since they contradict one another, so who is to say which one is right?

If we know the texts they're derived from well enough, then we know where there are faults in comprehension.

They all believe that their interpretation is right, but what makes any one of them right and all the other Christians are wrong?

First off Christians are automatically wrong in general in my comprehension, as they follow John, Paul, and Simon...

So if someone has the understanding to see some of that, I'd give them my respect in if their interpretation could be right...

A lot of wannabe messengers since Christ don't even understand what Balaam teachings means (Micah 6:5-8); that God never Required sacrifice.

With enough questioning of the evidence we can show a clear concise case of what things mean; many make presuppositions fit into their religious textual beliefs (eisegesis).

If I knew what verses you are referring to I could explain what I believe they mean.

There are prophecies across most of the prophets speaking of the Day of the Lord, coming with a fire on the whole world (Isaiah 24, Isaiah 34, etc).

In my opinion.