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I did not mean that the texts contradict one another; I meant that the Christians and others who are reading the same texts interpret them differently. So who can say whose comprehension is the correct vs. the faulty one?If we know the texts they're derived from well enough, then we know where there are faults in comprehension.
I can understand what you mean about Paul after reading on that link. Paul completely contradicts what Jesus said. However, I do not have much faith in any of the Bible as an accurate recording of God’s Word simply because that is logically impossible given how the Bible came into existence, especially given how many contradictions there are throughout.
Thanks. Such prophecies can mean many different things to different people. There is certainly no way to know exactly what they refer to, what is symbolic and what is literal.
Yes, the Kingdom is heavenly.The Gospel of John, after all, has Jesus say that "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest" (John 18:36).
Jesus was addressing the Pharisees. They certainly didn’t have any Kingdom of God ‘within’ them.We are, however, also told "neither shall people say, Lo! here, or lo! there; for lo! the Kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21)
I did not mean that the texts contradict one another; I meant that the Christians and others who are reading the same texts interpret them differently. So who can say whose comprehension is the correct vs. the faulty one?
With careful analysis we can show what things are meant to be objectively with a high percentage of probability, and then determine what is the most likely based on all the evidence.So who can say whose comprehension is the correct vs. the faulty one?
Having shown many contradictions, and errors; still can show the Bible as a prophetic book that is taking place as written.However, I do not have much faith in any of the Bible as an accurate recording of God’s Word simply because that is logically impossible given how the Bible came into existence, especially given how many contradictions there are throughout.
They have multiple religions around the world, and can read all of them to use a scientific method of analysis; rather than be naive to accept only one book.I understand why people still cling to the Bible, because what else do they have?
If one understands the first precepts in the foundation material, then it is harder for someone to accept faulty precepts that are built on top later.there is the Qur'an which I consider God's Word, and much more authentic and useful than the Bible.
With enough questioning what the text says, and looking for additional clarification within the original material first, we can have a better understanding than people rewriting it to fit later.Such prophecies can mean many different things to different people. There is certainly no way to know exactly what they refer to, what is symbolic and what is literal.
When He comes again, Jesus Christ will be the Resurrected Lord as described in the scriptures.Like most sensible people on this planet, I know that when Jesus comes back, he will be an American, and not just an American, but an Evangelical American, and not just an Evangelical American, but an Evangelical American of the Dominionist variety -- for how could he otherwise avoid being a heretic?
So, would you be disappointed if Jesus failed to come back as a member of your religion and/or denomination of your religion? Do you even expect him back as a Christian of any sort?
Beyond that, what other things is he likely to come back as, in your best guess?
Like most sensible people on this planet, I know that when Jesus comes back, he will be an American
Actually God has a name in every culture, and the word 'God' was originally from the Germanic language.Everyone knows God is British.
Actually God has a name in every culture, and the word 'God' was originally from the Germanic language.
In my opinion.
I believe we are already living in that interesting time... No more my religion is better than yours... we are all one human family.I would like to think that He would be far removed from all the petty tribalism we see in religion today. No more,'My club is better than your club' mindset. It would certainly be an interesting time.
I do not think that we can use logic and math to determine what is most likely to be the Truth from God. In my opinion.“So who can say whose comprehension is the correct vs. the faulty one?”
With careful analysis we can show what things are meant to be objectively with a high percentage of probability, and then determine what is the most likely based on all the evidence.
Do you believe it is still taking place now? If so, how?“However, I do not have much faith in any of the Bible as an accurate recording of God’s Word simply because that is logically impossible given how the Bible came into existence, especially given how many contradictions there are throughout.”
Having shown many contradictions, and errors; still can show the Bible as a prophetic book that is taking place as written.
What do you mean, read all of the religions to use a scientific method of analysis?“I understand why people still cling to the Bible, because what else do they have?”
They have multiple religions around the world, and can read all of them to use a scientific method of analysis; rather than be naive to accept only one book.
I do not know what you mean by that. What are the first precepts and what is the foundation material as they apply to scriptures?“there is the Qur'an which I consider God's Word, and much more authentic and useful than the Bible.”
If one understands the first precepts in the foundation material, then it is harder for someone to accept faulty precepts that are built on top later.
What do you think you are going to figure out by reading these vague prophecies? How can anyone possibly know what they mean in terms of actual events that will take place thousands of years in the future?I consider this an exercise in futility. How long are people going to wait for the Messiah to return simply because they think they have the correct interpretation of the prophecies and everything has to unfold just as they believe it will?“Such prophecies can mean many different things to different people. There is certainly no way to know exactly what they refer to, what is symbolic and what is literal.”
With enough questioning what the text says, and looking for additional clarification within the original material first, we can have a better understanding than people rewriting it to fit later.
Anything can be made out of those puzzle pieces, anything. They do not only go together one way. There is no reason to believe any one puzzle that is made is any more accurate than any other puzzle.Defining symbolic and literal is something done once we've put most of the jigsaw together; start with the bits we can identify first, and then after when we see the bigger picture it becomes clearer.
If Jesus descends as you say from above where is it that He will be descending from? How could a physical body of flesh and bone exist above the earth’s atmosphere? How will “everyone on Earth” see Jesus if He lands at one geographical location?When He comes again, Jesus Christ will be the Resurrected Lord as described in the scriptures.
He will have a physical body of flesh and bone, yet it will be glorified and perfected exempting, of course, the prints of the nails in His hands, wrists and feet.
He will descend from the above as promised in the scriptures.
All upon the Earth will be witness to His coming and all shall know Him and confess that He is the Christ, the one true God, Lord of all.
There are accounts recorded in the scriptures of the faithful seeing God upon His throne while the Lord Jesus Christ stood at His right-hand.If Jesus descends as you say from above where is it that He will be descending from?
The physical bodies enjoyed by Resurrected Beings are perfected and glorified.How could a physical body of flesh and bone exist above the earth’s atmosphere?
Everyone upon the Earth have both seen the rays of the Sun and have felt its influence in the world.How will “everyone on Earth” see Jesus if He lands at one geographical location?
God is a CPU which creates reality at a quantum level; thus everything in reality is mathematically equatable, else we're not being logical with the info...I do not think that we can use logic and math to determine what is most likely to be the Truth from God.
Where Christianity contradicts (John, Paul, and Simon), is purposely prophesied in the Tanakh.Do you believe it is still taking place now? If so, how?
Tho we can question Muhammad being a seal after the canonization (edits); the Quran made clear to state the last prophet is only through arrogance.I believe that Muhammad was the Seal of the Prophets, the last Prophet in the Prophetic Cycle of religion that began with Adam.
In science if we have a theory/experiment, we do multiple of the same experiment to compare results; not only have one example, and then build the whole hypothesis on that.What do you mean, read all of the religions to use a scientific method of analysis?
In trace routing errors in code/electronic/science/etc, we establish the problems in the system by going back to the source of the chain...What are the first precepts and what is the foundation material as they apply to scriptures?
Vague prophecies can be used like tracing paper laid on top of each other, which becomes clearer as each prophet aligns with the others, and then only someone who hasn't properly looked will miss the details.What do you think you are going to figure out by reading these vague prophecies?
Because we can clearly show all criteria within the prophecies fitting with historical references, and events that are still taking place.How can anyone possibly know what they mean in terms of actual events that will take place thousands of years in the future?
Some people base their whole religion on waiting... Some are more discerning, and are merely seeing the signs unfolding, and know it will happen in time.How long are people going to wait for the Messiah to return simply because they think they have the correct interpretation of the prophecies and everything has to unfold just as they believe it will?
This is part of the problem lousy exegesis by Jews, Muslims, Christians, and Baha'i...The prophecies were not intended to be understood until the events actually took place.
Aware of each religious belief structure, and where they've been deliberately set up, as they're 'quick to the spoils, and hasten to the prey' (Isaiah 8, Zechariah 5); yet have little wisdom to see what is really taking place.Have you ever noticed how differently Christians believe about the return of Jesus and the time of the end?
Which is our biggest problem with Baha'i, a jigsaw puzzle has edges, each only aligns one way, and Baha'i have cut off the edges, so it all fits every way, and ignore the contexts.Anything can be made out of those puzzle pieces, anything. They do not only go together one way.
Which is where we use mathematical reasoning, and have a lower probability to allow for discrepancies; not base everything on a single reference, yet use a scientific method.Also, all it takes is for a verse or verses to have been incorrectly recorded in the Bible and the whole puzzle is messed up.
He came back as the girl who hung herself in a concentration camp just recently.So, would you be disappointed if Jesus failed to come back as a member of your religion and/or denomination of your religion? Do you even expect him back as a Christian of any sort?
So how could we here on earth see God upon His throne while the Lord Jesus Christ stands at His right-hand? Those scriptures must apply to those faithful who have already ascended to heaven.There are accounts recorded in the scriptures of the faithful seeing God upon His throne while the Lord Jesus Christ stands at His right-hand.
I would therefore assume, based on these scriptural testimonies and other revelations, that He will descend from the throne of the Father.
Any suggestion about the location of the Father's throne would be pure speculation, save for the fact that it is not upon the Earth.
I can certainly agree with that, it is not on earth.
So what Christians believe in and want is to have are all the benefits of a physical body but without any of the hassles. I guess this is based upon what you believe that Jesus had after he resurrected, eating and drinking, etc.The physical bodies enjoyed by Resurrected Beings are perfected and glorified.
They do not suffer from any of the frailties exhibited by mortal bodies of flesh and blood.
The Father and the Son are both Resurrected Beings, perfect and glorified, along with all others who have become heirs of God through Christ and have received their salvation and exaltation.
That is quite a fantastic belief. There is no reason to believe that Jesus will return that way. It is not in the Bible. It is just something some Christians interpreted certain verses to mean.Everyone upon the Earth have both seen the rays of the Sun and have felt its influence in the world.
We are all aware of it, even though the Sun is in a fixed location, relative to us.
When Christ comes again, His glory and brilliance will make the Sun seem dark.
Everyone will know when He returns. Everyone will see and feel His return. Everyone will know Him for who and what He is.
Where did you get the idea that God is a CPU?I do not think that we can use logic and math to determine what is most likely to be the Truth from God.
God is a CPU which creates reality at a quantum level; thus everything in reality is mathematically equatable, else we're not being logical with the info...
Here is a series of logic/rational equations turned into math.
But how is that taking place now?
40:34-35 And Joseph had already come to you before with clear proofs, but you remained in doubt of that which he brought to you, until when he died, you said, 'Never will Allah send a messenger after him.' Thus does Allah leave astray he who is a transgressor and skeptic." Those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without an authority having come to them - great is hatred [of them] in the sight of Allah and in the sight of those who have believed. Thus does Allah seal over every heart [belonging to] an arrogant tyrant.I believe that Muhammad was the Seal of the Prophets, the last Prophet in the Prophetic Cycle of religion that began with Adam.
Tho we can question Muhammad being a seal after the canonization (edits); the Quran made clear to state the last prophet is only through arrogance.
Who are we? Who is qualified to examine each religious texts (data) and to compare against other religions for missing understandings?What do you mean, read all of the religions to use a scientific method of analysis?
In science if we have a theory/experiment, we do multiple of the same experiment to compare results; not only have one example, and then build the whole hypothesis on that.
Thus we can examine each religious texts (data), to compare against other religions for missing understandings, then we can build a logical hypothesis with a consensus of majority data.
It makes sense to go back to the Torah before looking at the New Testament which is fraught with problems.What are the first precepts and what is the foundation material as they apply to scriptures?
In trace routing errors in code/electronic/science/etc, we establish the problems in the system by going back to the source of the chain...
So in this we go back to the Torah, to establish the earlier ideas presented by the Psalms & the Prophets, before ever assessing the New Testament, and then what came after that.
I understand how it would become clearer by laying them on top of each other but I still do not think you can know the details of what will transpire in the future.What do you think you are going to figure out by reading these vague prophecies?
Vague prophecies can be used like tracing paper laid on top of each other, which becomes clearer as each prophet aligns with the others, and then only someone who hasn't properly looked will miss the details.
I hope you can understand that prophecies are open to many different interpretations.How can anyone possibly know what they mean in terms of actual events that will take place thousands of years in the future?
Because we can clearly show all criteria within the prophecies fitting with historical references, and events that are still taking place.
And some know that it already happened...How long are people going to wait for the Messiah to return simply because they think they have the correct interpretation of the prophecies and everything has to unfold just as they believe it will?
Some people base their whole religion on waiting... Some are more discerning, and are merely seeing the signs unfolding, and know it will happen in time.
That chapter is about as clear as mud.The prophecies were not intended to be understood until the events actually took place.
This is part of the problem lousy exegesis by Jews, Muslims, Christians, and Baha'i...
Zechariah 11 for example is clear as day about the 2nd temple destruction, and yet most don't pay attention to contexts.
That is certainly true for some belief structures.Have you ever noticed how differently Christians believe about the return of Jesus and the time of the end?
Aware of each religious belief structure, and where they've been deliberately set up, as they're 'quick to the spoils, and hasten to the prey' (Isaiah 8, Zechariah 5); yet have little wisdom to see what is really taking place.
Baha’u’llah either was or was not the Messiah, the return of Christ. Trying to disprove that by using prophecies from old scriptures won’t work because nobody can know exactly what those mean. Where did Jesus or any Prophet say to use the prophecies to determine who the Messiah was going to be? Jesus said we would know a Prophet by His fruits. Jesus said to be watching.Anything can be made out of those puzzle pieces, anything. They do not only go together one way.
Which is our biggest problem with Baha'i, a jigsaw puzzle has edges, each only aligns one way, and Baha'i have cut off the edges, so it all fits every way, and ignore the contexts.
Again, who are we? Who is using this scientific method?Also, all it takes is for a verse or verses to have been incorrectly recorded in the Bible and the whole puzzle is messed up.
Which is where we use mathematical reasoning, and have a lower probability to allow for discrepancies; not base everything on a single reference, yet use a scientific method.
Our NDE, cross referenced by multiple religious texts, and the simulated reality theory... The Matrix film came out after.Where did you get the idea that God is a CPU?
Yeshua came to set a Snare to Catch out the Ravenous beings for them all to be placed in the Lake of Fire...But how is that taking place now?
It isn't different Judaism arrogantly refuse any new external instruction, and Christians refuse any corrections.I can understand how that is arrogant, believing Muhammad is the last Prophet, but how is that any different from what Jews and Christians believe about their religion being the BEST and the LAST?
We is any person who reads it, and is capable of using the supplied method.Who are we?
Only someone with first hand experience, and with knowledge before looking at it.... I.e Someone sent from Heaven to do so.Who is qualified to examine each religious texts (data) and to compare against other religions for missing understandings?
If we study the prophecies, we see they relay this method; as only someone seeking will find it (Matthew 7:8).Where did Jesus or any Prophet say to use the prophecies to determine who the Messiah was going to be?
Yeshua's reason for coming, the Biblical deception, Christianity and Islam being false; there are too many things to list.What contexts do the Baha'is ignore?
Some people have a more scientific mind, and will do this automatically.Who is using this scientific method?
Like most sensible people on this planet, I know that when Jesus comes back, he will be an American, and not just an American, but an Evangelical American, and not just an Evangelical American, but an Evangelical American of the Dominionist variety -- for how could he otherwise avoid being a heretic?
So, would you be disappointed if Jesus failed to come back as a member of your religion and/or denomination of your religion? Do you even expect him back as a Christian of any sort?
Beyond that, what other things is he likely to come back as, in your best guess?