paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Which one was the first? Was it a chaos that is becoming orderly or the vice versa?
Anybody could answer please.
Regards
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When science goes gibberish; what does it indicate?
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Anybody could answer please.
Regards
Milton Platt
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My understanding is that, overall, the universe will tend toward chaos as it winds down over many many billions of years. It is believed that the known universe started from a single incredibly dense point of energy and/or matter.
Physics seems to break down just before that point is reached in mathematical models, and we can't really know what things were like past that point. So I guess my questions is at what point in time do you consider the universe as to have begun "existing" and does it ever have to have been just chaos or just order and why?
AndromedaRXJ
Active Member
Do you have an example of science going gibberish? Maybe then we can discuss what it indicates.
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Daemon Sophic
Avatar in flux
Now that would be gibberish.
You really should have suggested switching the positions of the words "are" and "you".
Now you've got it.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
The fact that science doesn't erroneously claim to "have all the answers" like certain religious adherents makes it superior, not inferior. If people are convinced that they've figured everything out, they will stop searching. We have no reason to assume to know the limits of scientific discovery. Patience is a virtue.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
gnostic
The Lost One
Seriously, what does your reply have to do with what leibowde84 had written that you have quote?
What leibowde84 is saying, is that in science, scientists don't or shouldn't stop seeking knowledge or answers to questions.
This has nothing to do with blind faith.
Blind faith is believing in something without verifiable evidence; it is accepting what one believe in, even if the evidences go against his or her belief.
Faith is the realm of religion, more than anything else. And the believe in a god or gods are the one that require blind faith.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Nope, it is you who are holding on to your blind faith in knowing the limits of science. I am in no way saying that it is limitless. I am merely pointing out the absurdity in assuming to know the limits of science absolutely.
I'm not sure how I missed this.
I don't know how you could apply terms like "order" or "chaos" to a single point (i.e. the Big Bang singularity).
leibowde84
Veteran Member
The universe is obviously chaotic, which is shown by the fact that pretty much all of it is empty, and the remaining part is almost entirely based on monumental destruction. We are lucky to say the least.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
McBell
Unbound
You have already established that "gibberish" to you is anything you disagree with and or do not understand....
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
The great thing about the words paarsurrey is whining about is that they send a very specific message.
Whereas smaller words generally have more than one meaning..
And this is important when trying to get across complex ideas where ambiguity can be a problem.
Whereas smaller words generally have more than one meaning..
And this is important when trying to get across complex ideas where ambiguity can be a problem.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Smacks of antidisestablishmentarianism.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I was watching a science documentary as a theoretical physicist narrated.....
he was demonstrating an equation
and the equation ended with infinity.....plus infinity......plus infinity......infinitely.....
he then struck a thoughtful pose for the camera as he continued to narrate.....
'theoretical physicists have a problem with infinity'
well they rely on equations.....don't they
and when the problem ends with infinity....and infinity is a problem......
oooooops!
he was demonstrating an equation
and the equation ended with infinity.....plus infinity......plus infinity......infinitely.....
he then struck a thoughtful pose for the camera as he continued to narrate.....
'theoretical physicists have a problem with infinity'
well they rely on equations.....don't they
and when the problem ends with infinity....and infinity is a problem......
oooooops!
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Mathematically, "infinity" works as has been shown time and time again. And it actually is quite logical when one considers what we experience with cause & effect, namely that each cause has at least one other cause behind it. IOW, an uncaused cause is an anomaly.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Is infinity G-d of the science? Please
Who makes the mathematics work?Please
Does it naturally exist or it hypothetically exists and is only a construct of the human brain for convenience? Please
Regards
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Mathematics, or physics in this instance, is a way to express/describe what happens in the universe and why. It is also a useful tool in making predictions. There is no force "making it work", as it is merely a description of the way things are naturally.