:bow: I bow to your wisdom.
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When Should We Not Love?
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methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
A little some to add here.
I think love begins with loving oneself. For how can one truly love anything if you cannot love that which you are.
Heneni
Miss Independent
Sorry to be the fly in the ointment..just wondering ...do you think satan loves himself, and therefore is able to love others?
Id say satan does love himself. There must be something more to the ...loving yourself concept.
Heneni
Miss Independent
Bet that was a beautiful site, and so rarely seen.
If you look closely at my photograph you will notice that the rainbow goes behind the tree (although difficult to see, the colors can be seen a little when looking through the tree). God is there but hidden. Still recommend coming to Virginia
I love to travel. Maybe i will go to virginia one day..who knows where my path will lead.
Heneni
Miss Independent
And many years later he loved the world so much that he sacrificed his own son.
Darkwater
Well-Known Member
When truth steps in,you should love truth more than love.
Light refraction of sunlight through rain would produce a circle if you can see beyond the horizon,rather than the visible half circle traditionally associated with a rainbow,seeing as the sun is *round*.
So *God*(label) stopped loving his *son*(label)........mmmmmmmmmm,never thought of it like that.......seeing as I have never met either,nor ever shall I doubt this very much.
What liar told you this,or did you make it up yourself?
Light refraction of sunlight through rain would produce a circle if you can see beyond the horizon,rather than the visible half circle traditionally associated with a rainbow,seeing as the sun is *round*.
So *God*(label) stopped loving his *son*(label)........mmmmmmmmmm,never thought of it like that.......seeing as I have never met either,nor ever shall I doubt this very much.
What liar told you this,or did you make it up yourself?
.lava
Veteran Member
Part of the Christian Jesus mythology is that God sent his son to die to cleanse the people of the world of their sins.
It makes no sense to me, either.
Heneni
Miss Independent
Is having a clean slate hard to understand? :sad:
No. How it's achieved through someone's death makes no sense. And I've asked many people how it works, and no one has EVER given me an answer that made sense. Now, if Jesus was sent to TELL us how to lead good lives and through WISDOM save us from sins... THAT makes sense.
Heneni
Miss Independent
When i visit earth again..ill give you the manual.
I know i have been forgiven, because i died, i was baptised in death, when jesus died on the cross...and i literally mean he pulled me into death, and i died. And that was my punishment. The wages of sin is death. But because he forgave me..he resurrected me again...and now i can never die again. That must be even harder to understand. And if jesus didnt rise from the dead, neither did I. That must be completely over the top....
Im sorry you dont understand that which I understand fully. But we have been through this...sort of...you are very sure of your beliefs and so am I. One of us is wrong...or both of us are right. Neither of us, want to see the other suffer.
Heneni.
That last part is so true!!
But Jesus led a sinless life(unless you believe the Infancy Gospels to be canon
), so I'm afraid it still makes no sense. But good for trying to explain it. ^_^ Though I think I might get it; you mean a spiritual rebirth... happens to me all the time. (I'm quite serious when I say that... every time I grow in my spiritual wisdom, I "die" and am "reborn" again) To me, the "punishment" is the humiliation from learning that you were wrong. (NOT a pleasant feeling, to say the least) and the "rebirth" is the realization of what you now know. ... that what you're talking about? Or maybe death as a sort of "withdrawal symptom" of stopping an addiction, which regardless of what the addiction is, is EXTREMELY painful. But once that's over, freedom is achieved.
I'm afraid that with those two explenations, that makes the Wisdom of Jesus far more important than the death on the cross... I don't at all agree with the idea Paul gave that "faith in Christ is useless unless he died and was resurrected". ... then again, I don't agree with most of what Paul said...
Heneni
Miss Independent
That last part is so true!!
But Jesus led a sinless life(unless you believe the Infancy Gospels to be canon
Though I think I might get it; you mean a spiritual rebirth... happens to me all the time. (I'm quite serious when I say that... every time I grow in my spiritual wisdom, I "die" and am "reborn" again) To me, the "punishment" is the humiliation from learning that you were wrong. (NOT a pleasant feeling, to say the least) and the "rebirth" is the realization of what you now know. ... that what you're talking about? Or maybe death as a sort of "withdrawal symptom" of stopping an addiction, which regardless of what the addiction is, is EXTREMELY painful. But once that's over, freedom is achieved.
I'm afraid that with those two explenations, that makes the Wisdom of Jesus far more important than the death on the cross... I don't at all agree with the idea Paul gave that "faith in Christ is useless unless he died and was resurrected". ... then again, I don't agree with most of what Paul said...
I agree with god that the wages of sin is death...eternal death...therefore eternal seperation from him. The only thing i can possibly gain by sinning is to die. What an aweful situation to be stuck in....so when jesus died on the cross...so did i...i died my spiritual death...i recieved the wages of my sin. I had a debt to pay and i paid it...i died....I should have stayed dead, but instead i was resurrected again, because god forgave me...and he could only forgive me, because jesus carried my sin away....when he pulled his son out of the grave...so did he pull me out as well.
I really believe that i existed when jesus was on the cross...and i really believe that he pulled my spirit out of darkness and into the kingdom of light. I was litteraly transferred from one place to the other. This earth is a training ground, and a place where i learn. If ive learnt enough, ill return to my lord. If i havent...ill come back here...but what i cannot do...is be eternally seperated from him. Temporarily seperated maybe, but only because i cant see him. For now...hes in me, around me, with me, and for me. It is however impossible for anything to keep me from returning to god, because i am unable to die...the only question is ...how long lord...how long.
Heneni
Miss Independent
This what you have explained here....is what i call...crucifying the flesh. Yes i know..christian lingo is strange.
.lava
Veteran Member
oh i misunderstood completely. i thought she said Abraham (PBUH) sacrificed his son for his love for world. i think i should not discuss "God has no son, Jesus (PBUH) increased to heavens -not killed" subject here.
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methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
Sorry to be the fly in the ointment..just wondering ...do you think satan loves himself, and therefore is able to love others?
Id say satan does love himself. There must be something more to the ...loving yourself concept.
Firstly, I don't believe a being like a biblical satan exists to begin with.
But having said that, did he exist, I couldn't say whether he loved himself or not.