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When will humans grow wings?

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
they go along blindly in the sense that they believe Darwinism has explained the existence, meaning, creation and destruction of life on Earth.

Darwinism has wrapped up the whole debate according to these people who are now ready for the next topic. Darwinism is simplicity itself - if you don't understand how some life process works then just write it off to chance, saves having to think too much.
Please, please, please, at least take the time to learn what biological evolution entails.

If you want to learn about it, simply ask.
Your statements show a vast ignorance of the subject.:shrug:
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
they go along blindly in the sense that they believe Darwinism has explained the existence, meaning, creation and destruction of life on Earth.

I know many people who believe in evolution yet I know of none who believe like you describe here. I think it's just some straw man conjured up in the minds of creationists. Evolution deals exclusively with biology, not philosophy or ethics. Also, our understanding of life, and how it has evolved, has advanced in the 150 years since Darwin wrote The Origin of Species. That's how science works; it's about study and discovery, learning and understanding. Through it our knowledge grows.
Whilst religious fundamentalism promotes only ignorance and stagnancy.

Darwinism has wrapped up the whole debate according to these people who are now ready for the next topic. Darwinism is simplicity itself - if you don't understand how some life process works then just write it off to chance, saves having to think too much.

But evolution isn't just about "chance". It makes people look like fools when they try to debate a subject they have no clear understanding of. Perhaps you should stop, kid.

People are scared rigid by the idea of God, Intelligent Design , Alien life , The Supernatural or any other religious or unknown belief system that challenges the supremacy of Darwinian evolution.

As has been explained a billion times before; the theory of evolution and the concept of god are not mutually exclusive. Literal interpretations of ancient creation myths do not hold a monopoly on god. God isn't your hand puppet.

People don't want to worry about supposed Forces whether scientific or religious so they just accept Darwin period.
People accept what logic and evidence indicate. All else is willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty.

Yes, evolution does explain a lot of things but it also leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

Because evolution wasn't meant to answer those questions. Again, it only deals with biology.
 

FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
With all the talk of how amazing evolution is I have yet to see a flying person.

Ok, so we have supposedly evolved by chance from the primordial soup - why have we stopped now though - how about a pair of wings or even a third arm?

Quite clearly evolution has stopped with the human being - the highest creature intended to exist on Earth.

I will believe in evolution over design/guidance when I see the first winged man.

Ever seen a person that can run as fast as a lion?
Ever seen a woman as strong as an ape?

Because of the lack of these abilities it is quite apparent that evolution is only a very small part of the whole event.
All these are not evolutionarily advantageous to survival of humans.
and if you want to see a winged man, you have to promise not to die for at least a billion years.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Would you be interested to see man with not wings, but with lobster hands?
EVIDENCE OF RECENT EVOLUTIONARY ADAPTIONS - AnaiBendai's Blog - Blogster


That link is trash bud



heres a tidbit on the fish someone stuffed babboon jaws in, I knew those were baboon teeth. [i study marine biology]


Identified in some versions of the [COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]email[/COLOR][/COLOR] as a “Devil Fish,” the gruesome specimen in the preceding photographs doesn’t really exist. It’s a fine example of what is called “gaff art” — the manufacture of sideshow artifacts or fake oddities out of the preserved body parts of real animals using taxidermy and prop-building techniques. It was first sighted in an eBay auction dated May 2006, where it was described as a “mummified sea monster corpse.” The winning bidder paid $637.

It was created by Florida artist Juan Cabana, who was also responsible for the creepy “merman or mermaid carcass” allegedly found washed up on beaches from South Africa to south Florida.​
 

FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
That link is trash bud



heres a tidbit on the fish someone stuffed babboon jaws in, I knew those were baboon teeth. [i study marine biology]

Identified in some versions of the [COLOR=#e0e060 !important][COLOR=#e0e060 !important]email[/color][/color] as a “Devil Fish,” the gruesome specimen in the preceding photographs doesn’t really exist. It’s a fine example of what is called “gaff art” — the manufacture of sideshow artifacts or fake oddities out of the preserved body parts of real animals using taxidermy and prop-building techniques. It was first sighted in an eBay auction dated May 2006, where it was described as a “mummified sea monster corpse.” The winning bidder paid $637.

It was created by Florida artist Juan Cabana, who was also responsible for the creepy “merman or mermaid carcass” allegedly found washed up on beaches from South Africa to south Florida.​

Oh okay. I didnt know. guess googling " man evolution mutant" is not a very way of finding out these things. Thanks!
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Oh okay. I didnt know. guess googling " man evolution mutant" is not a very way of finding out these things. Thanks!


No problem, your welcome brother.

I was looking at the pics going OK we have birth defected pigs and what the ^&^%$ THOSE are baboon teeth someone put in a fish LOL :D and that other one was busted a while ago.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
With all the talk of how amazing evolution is I have yet to see a flying person.

Ok, so we have supposedly evolved by chance from the primordial soup - why have we stopped now though - how about a pair of wings or even a third arm?

Quite clearly evolution has stopped with the human being - the highest creature intended to exist on Earth.

I will believe in evolution over design/guidance when I see the first winged man.

Ever seen a person that can run as fast as a lion?
Ever seen a woman as strong as an ape?

Because of the lack of these abilities it is quite apparent that evolution is only a very small part of the whole event.
nmartin, if humans are the "final destination" of evolution, why are there still millions of other species on earth that have been evolving exactly as long as we have? Are they also fully cooked, or are they still evolving? If they're not evolving still, how do you know humans are superior? If they are still evolving, do you expect them all to turn into humans? Or will they evolve forever, never becoming perfected? Or do you expect them all to die, now that humans have been perfected?

I don't think you've thought this through, bud. If you wouldn't mind me recommending a book, the Greatest Show on Earth would probably help you enormously in the development if this hypothesis of yours.
 
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nnmartin

Well-Known Member
If you wouldn't mind me recommending a book, the Greatest Show on Earth would probably help you enormously in the development if this hypothesis of yours.

The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard Dawkins.

thanks for the advice but that's a little like giving an atheist a Bible and telling him it's proof of God.

To me Dawkins is just a Darwin groupie extraordinnairre.

He really is a buffoon as I've said before, and his writing style is that of a pompous old twit trying to be amusing.

Unfortunately Dawkins just churns out evolution, evolution, evolution.

No philosophical insight whatsoever and when the going gets tough he just comes out with tame mathematical escape clauses.

I have actually read that book some time ago - it was an almighty yawn.
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard Dawkins.

thanks for the advice but that's a little like giving an atheist a Bible and telling him it's proof of God.

To me Dawkins is just a Darwin groupie extraordinnairre.

He really is a buffoon as I've said before, and his writing style is that of a pompous old twit trying to be amusing.

Unfortunately Dawkins just churns out evolution, evolution, evolution.

No philosophical insight whatsoever and when the going gets tough he just comes out with tame mathematical escape clauses.

I have actually read that book some time ago - it was an almighty yawn.

For the sake of curiosity, just how long ago did you read it?
 

jarofthoughts

Empirical Curmudgeon
The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard Dawkins.
thanks for the advice but that's a little like giving an atheist a Bible and telling him it's proof of God.

The book is not, in and of itself, evidence of anything.
Rather it explains the evidence avaliable to us, and which you can then check out for yourself at your leisure.

He really is a buffoon as I've said before, and his writing style is that of a pompous old twit trying to be amusing.

And some find it to -be- amusing.
No accounting for taste I guess, but that impacts on the validity of what he writes not at all.

Unfortunately Dawkins just churns out evolution, evolution, evolution.

Not sure what you expect from an evolutionary biologist...

No philosophical insight whatsoever and when the going gets tough he just comes out with tame mathematical escape clauses.

This is news to me.
Could you provide some examples please?

I have actually read that book some time ago - it was an almighty yawn.

I found it to be well written and compelling, but again, no accounting for taste.
The facts he explains, however, are backed by mountains of scientific evidence.

What are your claims backed by? :sarcastic
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
The book is probably ok if you believe Evolution to be the complete package, nice and gift wrapped and end of story. But how about some answers?

yes, we all know it's random gene mutation, adaptation, natural selection - heard it all before and it doesn't say anything new.

How about telling us why genes or atoms feel the compulsion to mutate when the organism is threatened for example? - that would be quite interesting.

How does a virus know it needs to protect itself?
Why does DNA even bother copying itself in the first place?

'They just do' is hardly an answer - I could even write a book myself using that kind of technique!

Dawkins is a big old yawn and I'm sure he knows it himself - he has however discovered the ability to churn out armchair science books for the masses and no doubt got rich off the proceeds - credit to him for that I guess.
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
like I said, I certainly wouldn't remember the exact date.

Can you remember specifically when you read boring books?
 
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