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Eli G

Well-Known Member
... sometimes that spirit can come back to this world and cause paranormal things to happen.

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Correction: some invisible beings claim to be the spirits of those dead.

That is contrary to what the Bible teaches /Ecl.9:5,10; Psal. 146:4), so these invisible beings are something else entirely, and all such activity related to these beings has been and is explicitly condemned by God, for Christians as much as for Jews before.

In Acts 16:16-19 it is shown that a young woman was divining because she was possessed by demons... it was not a spirit of a deceased that helped her in her trances.

So it's a very, very bad thing, wherever you look at it.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Because what God disapproved of 2 millennia ago he still disapproves of? :shrug:

Mal. 3:6 “For I am Jehovah; I do not change. (...) "

Is. 41: 4 Who has acted and done this,
Summoning the generations from the beginning?
I, Jehovah, am the First One;
And with the last ones I am the same.”
God does not change but what God reveals to humans -- messages and laws -- do change over time. Humans and the world they live in are not static, so why would the messages and laws from God be static? It makes no sense.

That said, some of the behaviors that God disapproved of 2 millennia ago He still disapproves of, such as fornication, adultery, stealing and murder, so those laws were reiterated in the present prophetic cycle.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
No, it does not require a Baha'i to determine this. It only requires someone with a logical mind and spiritual perception.
Satan told Jesus he would give all the kingdoms of this world if Jesus would do just one act of worship to him, the devil. Did Jesus tell him nope, you don't rule all the kingdoms of this world? Remember that encounter as recorded in the holy scriptures?
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
If it is not normal because no normal cause can be identified then it is paranormal.

In addition to what I wrote in my previous post, I'd like to reiterate that the reason I post on RF about my experiences as a medium is to offer other people who don't have psychic abilities like mine a glimpse into what it's like to be a medium. As a paranormal investigator, I'd like to educate others about the paranormal in an effort to help dispel the negative stigma associated with believing in the paranormal. I don't post about my personal experiences to argue and debate with skeptics or try to persuade them to believe in the paranormal. In fact, I won't argue and debate with skeptics about my experiences or about anything else related to the paranormal. To be honest, it makes no difference to me whether skeptics believe me or not. As far as I'm concerned, they can make up their own minds whether to believe me or not. The fact is that their disbelief and skepticism don't alter the reality of my experiences.

It makes no difference to me whether or not they believe in the paranormal. I've spent the majority of my life hiding my psychic medium abilities from other people. My husband was the first person I ever told about my abilities, and I didn't tell him until we had been married for a few years. There was a chain of events that happened in our lives that led up to me finally telling him when I was in my early thirties. I was aware that what I shared with him went against what he was taught to believe as a Christian, but he accepted the fact that I was telling him the truth. He had been taught as a child not to believe in ghosts and other paranormal phenomena. Fortunately for me, and as a credit to his good character as a Christian, he didn't judge me and accuse me of being out of my mind. He has always been willing to believe me and be supportive. I'm pleased to say that my husband is no longer on the fence about whether to genuinely believe in the paranormal or not because he had his own personal encounter with spirits when he accompanied me on one of my investigations in early July 2021. He witnessed poltergeist activity with his own eyes, which neither he nor the other people present could debunk. He also witnessed the real-time photos captured by both my thermal imaging and structural light sensor cameras, which neither he nor the others were able to refute. He heard several EVPs (Electronic Voice Phenomenon) when I did burst EVP sessions with a spirit box while we were investigating the location.

Later, he had access to additional thermal images and digital photos of numerous spirits that other people who were investigating the area at the same time as us had taken. I encouraged my husband to be actively involved in my investigation this time, and he most certainly was. I was proud of how he set aside his religious skepticism to help me investigate the location. He also had a firsthand encounter with a full-body apparition who he thought was a living, breathing man like him. But as he and I later found out from a friend, the man he spoke to for several minutes and even shook hands with had been dead for several years. My friend took us to a local cemetery to show us the man's grave. My husband was in shock and remained silent for some time.

Needless to say, my husband is no longer religiously skeptical of the existence of earthbound spirits and has come to terms with the poltergeist activity that occurs in our home or at other locations where I happen to be present. Personally, I'm relieved that he genuinely believes in the paranormal now because I no longer have to conceal the unusual things that happen in our home. I tried to conceal the obvious poltergeist activity in our home for several years so it wouldn't scare him and our children. Of course, I was absolutely terrified, but I was even more afraid of him learning my secret, so I learned to live with it and deal with it on my own. It was a very lonely existence, to be honest, but I'm not alone anymore, and neither is my daughter, who is a psychic medium like me, nor my other children, who each have varying degrees of the four Clairs. The fact is, the paranormal is part of our lives, and we accept it.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
God does not change but what God reveals to humans -- messages and laws -- do change over time. Humans and the world they live in are not static, so why would the messages and laws from God be static? It makes no sense.

That said, some of the behaviors that God disapproved of 2 millennia ago He still disapproves of, such as fornication, adultery, stealing and murder, so those laws were reiterated in the present prophetic cycle.
Let's be honest. You said God does not answer your prayers. So you cannot possibly know someone well who does not communicate with you. Here you are virtually begging a spirit medium to get you an answer from your dead husband. Whom you think visits you by turning the TV off and on. No success. And even if the "medium" told you your husband says "hi, I'm very happy," I'll say to you...have a good one and be very careful.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
God does not change but what God reveals to humans -- messages and laws -- do change over time. Humans and the world they live in are not static, so why would the messages and laws from God be static? It makes no sense.

That said, some of the behaviors that God disapproved of 2 millennia ago He still disapproves of, such as fornication, adultery, stealing and murder, so those laws were reiterated in the present prophetic cycle.
Lol ok
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Correction: some invisible beings claim to be the spirits of those dead.

That is contrary to what the Bible teaches /Ecl.9:5,10; Psal. 146:4), so these invisible beings are something else entirely, and all such activity related to these beings has been and is explicitly condemned by God, for Christians as much as for Jews before.

In Acts 16:16-19 it is shown that a young woman was divining because she was possessed by demons... it was not a spirit of a deceased that helped her in her trances.

So it's a very, very bad thing, wherever you look at it.
Baha'is do not believe in Satan or evil spirits.

 

Eli G

Well-Known Member
God does not change but what God reveals to humans -- messages and laws -- do change over time. Humans and the world they live in are not static, so why would the messages and laws from God be static? It makes no sense.

That said, some of the behaviors that God disapproved of 2 millennia ago He still disapproves of, such as fornication, adultery, stealing and murder, so those laws were reiterated in the present prophetic cycle.
There is something the JWs can teach you that is very important here right now:

a mandate is one thing, a principle is quite another.

Let me explain the difference: the Bible does not say that smoking is bad, but it does include a principle that helps you deduce that smoking displeases God. The principle involved in this case could be this one:

2 Cor. 7:1 Therefore, since we have these promises, beloved ones, let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Isn't it true that if you correctly understand the principle in 2Cor.7:1 you would realize that if you smoked you wouldn't be taking it seriously?

There is no need for the Bible to say that Christians should not smoke. We know this from the principles we learn from it. And that's why you need to study the Bible with a Jehovah's Witness :glomp:
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Baha'is do not believe in Satan or evil spirits.


In my opinion, Satan is the Christian equivalent of the boogeyman. It is nothing more than a scare tactic to claim that other people are under the influence of Satan or "demonic forces." As far as I'm concerned, this kind of petty scare tactic should be discarded and ignored as the absolute nonsense that it is.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Satan told Jesus he would give all the kingdoms of this world if Jesus would do just one act of worship to him, the devil. Did Jesus tell him nope, you don't rule all the kingdoms of this world? Remember that encounter as recorded in the holy scriptures?
Baha'is do not believe that Satan is a real entity who exists. We believe that Satan as referred to in the Bible is an allegory for the lower nature of man, as opposed to his higher spiritual nature.

“The reality underlying this question is that the evil spirit, Satan or whatever is interpreted as evil, refers to the lower nature in man. This baser nature is symbolized in various ways. In man there are two expressions, one is the expression of nature, the other the expression of the spiritual realm…. God has never created an evil spirit; all such ideas and nomenclature are symbols expressing the mere human or earthly nature of man. It is an essential condition of the soil of earth that thorns, weeds and fruitless trees may grow from it. Relatively speaking, this is evil; it is simply the lower state and baser product of nature.“
Abdu’l-Baha, Promulgation of Universal Peace, pp. 294–295.

“…… according to the will of Satan, by which we mean the natural inclinations of the lower nature. This lower nature in man is symbolized as Satan—the evil ego within us, not an evil personality outside.” Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, pp. 286-287
 

Eli G

Well-Known Member
Baha'is do not believe that Satan is a real entity who exists. We believe that Satan as referred to in the Bible is an allegory for the lower nature of man, as opposed to his higher spiritual nature.

“The reality underlying this question is that the evil spirit, Satan or whatever is interpreted as evil, refers to the lower nature in man. This baser nature is symbolized in various ways. In man there are two expressions, one is the expression of nature, the other the expression of the spiritual realm…. God has never created an evil spirit; all such ideas and nomenclature are symbols expressing the mere human or earthly nature of man. It is an essential condition of the soil of earth that thorns, weeds and fruitless trees may grow from it. Relatively speaking, this is evil; it is simply the lower state and baser product of nature.“
Abdu’l-Baha, Promulgation of Universal Peace, pp. 294–295.

“…… according to the will of Satan, by which we mean the natural inclinations of the lower nature. This lower nature in man is symbolized as Satan—the evil ego within us, not an evil personality outside.” Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, pp. 286-287
So, bahais believe that there was an "evil, refers to the lower nature in" Jesus? :eek:

In a spiritist version you would say that Jesus was talking to a dead person, but never with Satan :rolleyes:...

What were you telling me before about the logic to analyze the Scriptures?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Let's be honest. You said God does not answer your prayers. So you cannot possibly know someone well who does not communicate with you.
I never said that God does not answer my prayers, but I never ask God for anything, except assistance with tests.
God already knows what I need so why would I tell God what I want?
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
So we should stone adulterers to death? That'd be a lot of stones and a lot of dead people.

Or maybe seize some infants and smash their heads against the rocks (Psalm 137:9), or how about killing some witches (Exodus 22:18) in a public witch burning? I hear Salem, Massachusetts, is nice this time of year. If we're going to follow the "Good Book" in regards to punishing people for their "sins" by killing them, then we will need to kill all the men, women, children, infants, cattle and sheep, camels, and donkeys (1 Samuel 15:2–3). Major massacre.
 

Eli G

Well-Known Member
Sadducees, certain sect of Judaism in the first century, didn't believe in angels, spirits nor in the resurrection.

Are bahais some kind of Neo-Sadducees? :(
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Baha'is do not believe that Satan is a real entity who exists. We believe that Satan as referred to in the Bible is an allegory for the lower nature of man, as opposed to his higher spiritual nature.

“The reality underlying this question is that the evil spirit, Satan or whatever is interpreted as evil, refers to the lower nature in man. This baser nature is symbolized in various ways. In man there are two expressions, one is the expression of nature, the other the expression of the spiritual realm…. God has never created an evil spirit; all such ideas and nomenclature are symbols expressing the mere human or earthly nature of man. It is an essential condition of the soil of earth that thorns, weeds and fruitless trees may grow from it. Relatively speaking, this is evil; it is simply the lower state and baser product of nature.“
Abdu’l-Baha, Promulgation of Universal Peace, pp. 294–295.

“…… according to the will of Satan, by which we mean the natural inclinations of the lower nature. This lower nature in man is symbolized as Satan—the evil ego within us, not an evil personality outside.” Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, pp. 286-287

Informative.
 
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