Where are the Dead?

[Trailblazer]

Lol you just get messages from the living dead now maybe. Ok ty and bye.

I do not represent the Baha'i Faith, I am just one Baha'i and I am an outlier.
I have gotten no messages from the dead, only signs.

 

[Trailblazer]

You can say what you want.

So can you, but that does not make it true.

 

[YoursTrue]

So can you, but that does not make it true.

Obviously it works both ways. Thank you so much for letting me see how you perceive things. It's very interesting and I wish you well. Bye for now...

 

[YoursTrue]

I do not represent the Baha'i Faith, I am just one Baha'i and I am an outlier.
I have gotten no messages from the dead, only signs.

Lol ok. Have a good one.

 

[YoursTrue]

*WINNER*

Except you don't understand the Bible and who Jesus Christ is. It is so sad to see how some reason.

 

[Trailblazer]

Except you don't understand the Bible and who Jesus Christ is. It is so sad to see how some reason.

I understand the Bible and who Jesus Christ is because Baha'u'llah unsealed the Book at 2300 years.

Daniel Chapter 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

It is Christians who do not understand but they all believe they do. If they did, all Christians would agree, but they don't.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I understand the Bible and who Jesus Christ is because Baha'u'llah unsealed the Book at 2300 years.

Daniel Chapter 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

It is Christians who do not understand but they all believe they do. If they did, all Christians would agree, but they don't.

It's ironic, in my opinion, for any Christian, particularly Jehovah's Witnesses (based on my previous interactions with them), to accuse you or any other non-Christian of not properly understanding the Bible. In my years as an evangelical Christian and evangelistic team leader, I considered the JWs to be among the least knowledgeable about the Bible outside of their church doctrines. Those that listened to me and other evangelicals witnessing to them converted to evangelicalism, and they were able to persuade other JWs to do the same. While I am no longer a Christian, I can still give them a run for their money whenever I encounter them at a friend's or neighbor's house. The ones around where I live apparently wised up and quit coming to my house. Frankly, I'm relieved that the ones I had to deal with from time to time finally gave up because they were pretty annoying. I'll say that they were a determined bunch.

 

[Eli G]

We know ... you prefer dead friends.

 

[YoursTrue]

It's ironic, in my opinion, for any Christian, particularly Jehovah's Witnesses (based on my previous interactions with them), to accuse you or any other non-Christian of not properly understanding the Bible. In my years as an evangelical Christian and evangelistic team leader, I considered the JWs to be among the least knowledgeable about the Bible outside of their church doctrines. Those that listened to me and other evangelicals witnessing to them converted to evangelicalism, and they were able to persuade other JWs to do the same. While I am no longer a Christian, I can still give them a run for their money whenever I encounter them at a friend's or neighbor's house. The ones around where I live apparently wised up and quit coming to my house. Frankly, I'm relieved that the ones I had to deal with from time to time finally gave up because they were pretty annoying. I'll say that they were a determined bunch.

I really don't like to say this, but you are so far off, even before I better understood the Bible I found palm readers and fortune tellers offsetting. I wouldn't imagine allowing them to "read my palm" even way before I studied the Bible. Even before I knew what the Bible said about them. Bye for now.

 

[Eli G]

@Sgt. Pepper Are you copy/pasting from a manual?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

@Trailblazer,

Given how inadequately the authors of the Bible depicted their personal beliefs about the afterlife, it's not surprising that Christians have differing views on what happens to people after they die. According to the Christian theological and apologetic websites I read online, the Bible was authored over a period of 1,500 years by forty men from three continents and in three languages: Hebrew, everyday Greek (called "Koine"), and Aramaic (an ancient language originating in Syria). And that's not to mention the number of times the Bible has been translated into different languages. I searched online to find out how many English versions of the Bible are now in print, and the results ranged from 50 to more than 60 (see the search results here). With all of that in mind, which Bible should we read? Should we read the Catholic Bible, with a 73-book canon; the Greek Orthodox Bible, with a 79-book canon; or the Protestant Bible, with a 66-book canon? If it's a Protestant Bible, then we have to decide which version is more accurate. Is it the King James Version or one of the other English versions? Or perhaps we should read the Bible in its original languages of Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic to ensure its authenticity?

According to the Bible, God is omniscient (Psalm 139:1–6; Isaiah 46:9–10; 1 John 3:20), omnipotent (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), and omnipresent (Psalm 139:7–10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). I would have thought that a God like that would have done a much better job of inspiring the Bible to be understandable and accepted by his followers, but that is obviously not the case with the God of the Bible. In my opinion, that's why there are multiple versions of the Bible (Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Protestant, with a plethora of varying English versions). It stands to reason that the failure to be more clear about what the Bible actually teaches is why Christianity is divided into Roman Catholics, Messianic Judaism, Anglicans, Orthodox (Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox), and a vast smorgasbord of Protestants: Baptist (First Baptist, Second Baptist, Southern Baptist, Reformed Baptist, Primitive Baptist, Anabaptist, Freewill Baptist), Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Mennonite, Mormon, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventist, The Assemblies of God, Church of Christ, Church of God, Church of the Nazarene, and literally hundreds of other Protestant denominations.

In my opinion, the Bible is a worthless, obsolete, and archaic book. Personally, I take whatever is written within its pages with a grain of salt. I think that it would be dishonest of me to continue believing what the Bible claims about the afterlife, as I have had far too many experiences as a medium over the past 43 years. Not to mention the fact that I believe that the Bible has plagiarized pagan myths attributed to Jesus and also has multiple contradictions, such as the scriptures that claim that God never changes. For instance, Numbers 23:19 states, "God is not a man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said it, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" And Malachi 3:6 also states, "I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed." But other verses imply that God changes his mind (Jeremiah 18:5–10; Joel 2:13; Jonah 4:2), describe God changing his mind (Exodus 32:14; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 3:10), or assume that God will change his mind (Jeremiah 26:3; Joel 2:14; Jonah 3:9).

Amos 7:3 "The Lord changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.

Amos 7:6 "The Lord changed His mind about this. "This too shall not be," said the Lord God.

Exodus 32:14 "So the Lord changed His mind about the harm that He said He would do to His people."

 

[Kenny]

@Trailblazer,

Given how inadequately the authors of the Bible depicted their personal beliefs about the afterlife, it's not surprising that Christians have differing views on what happens to people after they die. According to the Christian theological and apologetic websites I read online, the Bible was authored over a period of 1,500 years by forty men from three continents and in three languages: Hebrew, everyday Greek (called "Koine"), and Aramaic (an ancient language originating in Syria). And that's not to mention the number of times the Bible has been translated into different languages. I searched online to find out how many English versions of the Bible are now in print, and the results ranged from 50 to more than 60 (see the search results here). With all of that in mind, which Bible should we read? Should we read the Catholic Bible, with a 73-book canon; the Greek Orthodox Bible, with a 79-book canon; or the Protestant Bible, with a 66-book canon? If it's a Protestant Bible, then we have to decide which version is more accurate. Is it the King James Version or one of the other English versions? Or perhaps we should read the Bible in its original languages of Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic to ensure its authenticity?

According to the Bible, God is omniscient (Psalm 139:1–6; Isaiah 46:9–10; 1 John 3:20), omnipotent (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), and omnipresent (Psalm 139:7–10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). I would have thought that a God like that would have done a much better job of inspiring the Bible to be understandable and accepted by his followers, but that is obviously not the case with the God of the Bible. In my opinion, that's why there are multiple versions of the Bible (Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Protestant, with a plethora of varying English versions). So, the failure to be more clear with what the Bible actually teaches is why Christianity is vastly divided by Roman Catholics, Messianic Judaism, Anglicans, Orthodox (Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox), and a smorgasbord of Protestants: Baptist (First Baptist, Second Baptist, Southern Baptist, Reformed Baptist, Primitive Baptist, Anabaptist, Freewill Baptist), Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Mennonite, Mormon, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventist, The Assemblies of God, Church of Christ, Church of God, Church of the Nazarene, Apostolic Church, and literally hundreds of other Protestant churches.

In my opinion, the Bible is a worthless, obsolete, and archaic book. Personally, I take whatever is written within its pages with a grain of salt. I think that it would be dishonest of me to continue believing what the Bible claims about the afterlife, as I have had far too many experiences as a medium over the past 43 years. Not to mention the fact that I believe that the Bible has plagiarized pagan myths attributed to Jesus and also has multiple contradictions, such as the scriptures that claim that God never changes. For instance, Numbers 23:19 states, "God is not a man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said it, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" And Malachi 3:6 also states, "I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed." But other verses imply that God changes his mind (Jeremiah 18:5–10; Joel 2:13; Jonah 4:2), describe God changing his mind (Exodus 32:14; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 3:10), or assume that God will change his mind (Jeremiah 26:3; Joel 2:14; Jonah 3:9).

Amos 7:3 "The Lord changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.

Amos 7:6 "The Lord changed His mind about this. "This too shall not be," said the Lord God.

Exodus 32:14 "So the Lord changed His mind about the harm that He said He would do to His people."

Appreciate your opinion.

Actually, having so many translation is a bonus. Not to mention that all of these books, written over dozens of centuries, creates a miracle in and of itself in that they speak with the same thread of subject even when one person didn't know what the other person had written.

Very beneficial to billions even if it doesn't speak to you.

 

[Kenny]

I understand the Bible and who Jesus Christ is because Baha'u'llah unsealed the Book at 2300 years.

Daniel Chapter 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

It is Christians who do not understand but they all believe they do. If they did, all Christians would agree, but they don't.

With varying degrees of "how much time one spends studying", it could seem that Christians don't understand. Someone looking from the outside Lancôme to that conclusion.

I tend to see that the differences are superficial.

For an example, which Christians disagree that Jesus is the way the truth and the life? Almost completely none. How many Christians disagree that the blood of Jesus wipes away all sins? Almost completely none (you can always find an outlier somewhere).

So personally, I wouldn't quite agree with your position however respect the fact that you can have one.

 

[Trailblazer]

With varying degrees of "how much time one spends studying", it could seem that Christians don't understand. Someone looking from the outside Lancôme to that conclusion.

I tend to see that the differences are superficial.

For an example, which Christians disagree that Jesus is the way the truth and the life? Almost completely none. How many Christians disagree that the blood of Jesus wipes away all sins? Almost completely none (you can always find an outlier somewhere).

So personally, I wouldn't quite agree with your position however respect the fact that you can have one.

While it is true that Christians agree on the basics, they do not agree on what will happen on earth in the future and they do not agree what will happen to them after they die. For example, some Christians believe that the will spend eternity on earth even though most Christians believe that will go to heaven after they die and spend eternity there.

 

[YoursTrue]

@Trailblazer,

Given how inadequately the authors of the Bible depicted their personal beliefs about the afterlife, it's not surprising that Christians have differing views on what happens to people after they die. According to the Christian theological and apologetic websites I read online, the Bible was authored over a period of 1,500 years by forty men from three continents and in three languages: Hebrew, everyday Greek (called "Koine"), and Aramaic (an ancient language originating in Syria). And that's not to mention the number of times the Bible has been translated into different languages. I searched online to find out how many English versions of the Bible are now in print, and the results ranged from 50 to more than 60 (see the search results here). With all of that in mind, which Bible should we read? Should we read the Catholic Bible, with a 73-book canon; the Greek Orthodox Bible, with a 79-book canon; or the Protestant Bible, with a 66-book canon? If it's a Protestant Bible, then we have to decide which version is more accurate. Is it the King James Version or one of the other English versions? Or perhaps we should read the Bible in its original languages of Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic to ensure its authenticity?

According to the Bible, God is omniscient (Psalm 139:1–6; Isaiah 46:9–10; 1 John 3:20), omnipotent (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), and omnipresent (Psalm 139:7–10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). I would have thought that a God like that would have done a much better job of inspiring the Bible to be understandable and accepted by his followers, but that is obviously not the case with the God of the Bible. In my opinion, that's why there are multiple versions of the Bible (Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Protestant, with a plethora of varying English versions). It stands to reason that the failure to be more clear about what the Bible actually teaches is why Christianity is divided into Roman Catholics, Messianic Judaism, Anglicans, Orthodox (Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox), and a vast smorgasbord of Protestants: Baptist (First Baptist, Second Baptist, Southern Baptist, Reformed Baptist, Primitive Baptist, Anabaptist, Freewill Baptist), Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Mennonite, Mormon, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventist, The Assemblies of God, Church of Christ, Church of God, Church of the Nazarene, and literally hundreds of other Protestant denominations.

In my opinion, the Bible is a worthless, obsolete, and archaic book. Personally, I take whatever is written within its pages with a grain of salt. I think that it would be dishonest of me to continue believing what the Bible claims about the afterlife, as I have had far too many experiences as a medium over the past 43 years. Not to mention the fact that I believe that the Bible has plagiarized pagan myths attributed to Jesus and also has multiple contradictions, such as the scriptures that claim that God never changes. For instance, Numbers 23:19 states, "God is not a man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said it, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" And Malachi 3:6 also states, "I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed." But other verses imply that God changes his mind (Jeremiah 18:5–10; Joel 2:13; Jonah 4:2), describe God changing his mind (Exodus 32:14; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 3:10), or assume that God will change his mind (Jeremiah 26:3; Joel 2:14; Jonah 3:9).

Amos 7:3 "The Lord changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.

Amos 7:6 "The Lord changed His mind about this. "This too shall not be," said the Lord God.

Exodus 32:14 "So the Lord changed His mind about the harm that He said He would do to His people."

Meanwhile who decides what's evil in your opinion? You?

 

[Trailblazer]

I really don't like to say this, but you are so far off, even before I better understood the Bible I found palm readers and fortune tellers offsetting. I wouldn't imagine allowing them to "read my palm" even way before I studied the Bible. Even before I knew what the Bible said about them. Bye for now.

Changing the subject to talk about palm readers and fortune tellers is what is called a red herring fallacy, because it is intended to distract from the subject at hand, which is how well Christians understand the Bible.

(1) Red Herring Fallacy

A Red Herring argument is one that changes the subject, distracting the audience from the real issue to focus on something else where the speaker feels more comfortable and confident.
20. How to Rebut Logical Fallacies - Public leadership Institute

 

[Trailblazer]

Meanwhile who decides what's evil in your opinion?

God.

 

[YoursTrue]

Appreciate your opinion.

Actually, having so many translation is a bonus. Not to mention that all of these books, written over dozens of centuries, creates a miracle in and of itself in that they speak with the same thread of subject even when one person didn't know what the other person had written.

Very beneficial to billions even if it doesn't speak to you.

Exactly. Reading the book of Ezra and his lineage is clearly detailed. How or why would such things be made up? Knowing the history of the Jews and Israel it doesn't make sense that these details were made up.

 

[YoursTrue]

Dead people are dead. Their bodies decompose and are recycled. The atoms of the dead body will be used by worms and soil and flowers and trees and animals including humans. In this way we are all made up of dead people (and other things that have lived and are now dead)

Which is an interesting point. On two levels. Soil to soil or ashes to ashes ..and genetic inheritance even of personality traits that may be embedded in the cells.

 

[Trailblazer]

Exactly. Reading the book of Ezra and his lineage is clearly detailed. How or why would such things be made up? Knowing the history of the Jews and Israel it doesn't make sense that these details were made up.

You like to ask me questions so now I am going to ask you a question. Why does any of the history in the Bible matter NOW even if it is true?
How is knowing that going to help the people in the world today who are living in a world that is lamentably defective?
What is in the Bible that is going to help anyone in today's world. We were already saved by the blood of Jesus so that's history. Now what?