Where are Trump's financial data and tax returns?

[suncowiam]

According to bona fide billionaires from Warren Buffet to Mark Cuban, it's unlikely his wealth is anywhere near what he claims - depending on what day and what claims, which Trump himself has said depends on his mood atm. He's a crappy businessman who's only good at taking other's money to spend and lose, then defaulting on what he owns.

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It's all relative and those comments could only come from Buffet and Cuban. You or I to make such a comparison is rather hallow. Read all my comments to better paint what I mean.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Early voting signs are looking good, with women maybe potentially deciding this election the way things are looking.

 

[idav]

Tax returns won't tell you that.

The guy already has trouble with the IRS in regards to Trump foundation so maybe it is the smart thing to keep it from public view. We might actually learn something.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-rules-with-gift-to-florida-attorney-general/

 

[Revoltingest]

The guy already has trouble with the IRS in regards to Trump foundation so maybe it is the smart thing to keep it from public view. We might actually learn something.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-rules-with-gift-to-florida-attorney-general/

Learn?
People don't generally do that.
Again, people don't understand what kind of info is on a tax return.
It's not what they think.
My tax return is thick book.
But when I read it, I'm amazed at how impenetrable most of it is, & how little it says.

 

[Underhill]

Learn?
People don't generally do that.
Again, people don't understand what kind of info is on a tax return.
It's not what they think.
My tax return is thick book.
But when I read it, I'm amazed at how impenetrable most of it is, & how little it says.

So, if that is the case, why not release it?

You can't be naive enough to believe he just doesn't feel like it...

 

[Revoltingest]

So, if that is the case, why not release it?

You'd have to ask him.

You can't be naive enough to believe he just doesn't feel like it...

You can't be naive enuf to believe you'd learn anything from it?

 

[Underhill]

You'd have to ask him.

You can't be naive enuf to believe you'd learn anything from it?

I have no idea. His tax returns could show a lot of things that aren't all that hard to understand. You know, how much he paid in taxes, how much he earned, how little he donated to charity... there could be any number of very basic things that a tax return could show.

If it doesn't show anything then why not release it? It's not a complicated question. With the amount of flack he has received over this, and for someone who was so hung up over Obamas documents, you would think this would be a no brainer if, as you claim, it didn't show anything.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have no idea. His tax returns could show a lot of things that aren't all that hard to understand. You know, how much he paid in taxes, how much he earned, how little he donated to charity... there could be any number of very basic things that a tax return could show.

Would such knowledge change your vote?

If it doesn't show anything then why not release it? It's not a complicated question. With the amount of flack he has received over this, and for someone who was so hung up over Obamas documents, you would think this would be a no brainer if, as you claim, it didn't show anything.

I didn't say it would show nothing.
Only that it wouldn't be useful.

I was "hung up over Obamas [sic] documents"?
This is news to me.
You must be confusing me with some other deplorable.

 

[Underhill]

I didn't say it would show nothing.
Only that it wouldn't be useful.

Right, so he refuses to give them up because...

The double standards with you are unbelievable.

I was "hung up over Obamas [sic] documents"?
This is news to me.
You must be confusing me with some other deplorable.

Not you, Trump.

 

[Revoltingest]

Right, so he refuses to give them up because...
The double standards with you are unbelievable.

Oh, dear.....I've really confused you.
There is no double standard.
Why?
Because I'm not saying he should or shouldn't divulge his returns.
I simply don't care about them.
(But I have criticized his poor handling of the whole affair.)
And against whom else would I have applied this claimed double standard?

Not you, Trump.

Since I never supported any such claims of his, why even bring it up?
Again, I think you're confusing me with some other poster.

 

[idav]

Learn?
People don't generally do that.
Again, people don't understand what kind of info is on a tax return.
It's not what they think.
My tax return is thick book.
But when I read it, I'm amazed at how impenetrable most of it is, & how little it says.

So how does he IRS ever know anything? What other info do they have to call Trump on his claims being false or incorrect enough to fine him? Like the example I showed where they fined him for claiming a deduction that should not have been, and another sketchy one that probably needs auditing.

 

[Revoltingest]

So how does he IRS ever know anything?

They know enuf (generally) to calculate & verify taxes.
(At times (audits) they'll collect more than this.)
But there is much about one's financial position which they don't know.

What other info do they have to call Trump on his claims being false or incorrect enough to fine him?

Meh.....if one's affairs are complex enuf, one will be fined at times.
It's happened to me.
Although the IRS has lately given up on auditing me because my records are so squeaky clean that they get nothing for investment in scrutinizing me. Last time, the auditor spent months with me, & I owed nothing extra. Qapla'!

Am I the only one here with any experience in real estate investment & taxation?
It's like teaching tensor calculus to kindergartners!

Like the example I showed where they fined him for claiming a deduction that should not have been, and another sketchy one that probably needs auditing.

Taxation in Americastan is complex....very complex.
There are few knowns, & many thousands of probably-deductables & probably-not-deductables.
It's good to be aggressive, & claim things which might be disallowed.
Most of the time you win, so this is normal.
I didn't make the rules, but I play the game.

 

[idav]

It's like teaching tensor calculus to kindergartners!

Lol, no doubt, I saw your taxes thread. However it doesn't sound like your saying nothing will be found but that it's complex and unlikely. I get that but it's not impossible to find things. It's the trump foundation stuff that's of interest.

 

[Underhill]

Oh, dear.....I've really confused you.
There is no double standard.
Why?
Because I'm not saying he should or shouldn't divulge his returns.
I simply don't care about them.
(But I have criticized his poor handling of the whole affair.)
And against whom else would I have applied this claimed double standard?

Since I never supported any such claims of his, why even bring it up?
Again, I think you're confusing me with some other poster.

You support the man. You are the one who has posted I don't know how many post claiming his returns are unimportant, and now you expect me to believe you don't care?

The double standard is that you simply take donald at his word on everything. You posted multiple times that there is nothing to see in his tax returns and that they didn't matter. Yet you distrust Hillary precisely for the same kind of withholding of information.

 

[Revoltingest]

Lol, no doubt, I saw your taxes thread. However it doesn't sound like your saying nothing will be found but that it's complex and unlikely. I get that but it's not impossible to find things. It's the trump foundation stuff that's of interest.

I only say Trump's foes will be disappointed in how little they'd glean from his returns.
What they really want is a complete financial statement.
They don't even know to ask for that.

 

[Underhill]

They know enuf (generally) to calculate & verify taxes.
(At times (audits) they'll collect more than this.)
But there is much about one's financial position which they don't know.

Meh.....if one's affairs are complex enuf, one will be fined at times.
It's happened to me.
Although the IRS has lately given up on auditing me because my records are so squeaky clean that they get nothing for investment in scrutinizing me. Last time, the auditor spent months with me, & I owed nothing extra. Qapla'!

Am I the only one here with any experience in real estate investment & taxation?
It's like teaching tensor calculus to kindergartners!

Taxation in Americastan is complex....very complex.
There are few knowns, & many thousands of probably-deductables & probably-not-deductables.
It's good to be aggressive, & claim things which might be disallowed.
Most of the time you win, so this is normal.
I didn't make the rules, but I play the game.

I'm beginning to see why you support Trump. You share a certain superior attitude I find annoying.

In the words of the great Donald, "if he has nothing to hide, why not release them?"

 

[idav]

I only say Trump's foes will be disappointed in how little they'd glean from his returns.
What they really want is a complete financial statement.
They don't even know to ask for that.

I know what your saying and kinda side tracked the fact that IRS finds things. Whether you find it's usually non-consequential isn't the point I'm getting at.

 

[Revoltingest]

You support the man.

First, let me be clear that my support for him is conditional.
It is only because he's running against a worse (IMO) candidate.
So much worse that I'm not voting for my much preferred but guaranteed to lose Gary Johnson.
I disagree with Trump on many issues, & find him an offensive boor.
But I guestimate that he'd likely be a better prez than Hilda.

You are the one who has posted I don't know how many post claiming his returns are unimportant, and now you expect me to believe you don't care?

This sentence isn't clear.
But I'll state that Trump's income, wealth, & tax returns do not figure into deciding whom to vote for.

The double standard is that you simply take donald at his word on everything. You posted multiple times that there is nothing to see in his tax returns and that they didn't matter. Yet you distrust Hillary precisely for the same kind of withholding of information.

This is not to take Donald's word for anything.
I've even stated that I find him less trustworthy than Hillary.
The difference is that I expect her to do wrong.

I still think you're confusing me with someone else.
Perhaps you should ask more questions before making proclamations about my views & posts.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm beginning to see why you support Trump. You share a certain superior attitude I find annoying.

And I thought no one noticed!
(I've been toying with that persona today.)

But if you think his winning personality is a reason to vote for him,
then it would seem you've read none of my posts comparing him
to Hillary regarding war, taxes, & big government.

In the words of the great Donald, "if he has nothing to hide, why not release them?"

You got me.
I don't know his motives.
Neither do I know what Hillary had in the deleted emails.
But these little dramas aren't relevant to my vote.

 

[metis]

What some conveniently forget is that it was Trump who over and over and overe again bragged about his wealth and charitable contributions. And now the Pubs just want to give him a free ride because I think they well know that his returns would probably paint an entirely different picture than what he claims.

He also claimed they'd be released prior to the election, and now there's less than two weeks ago and he hasn't delivered on his promise. If Hillary had done this, Trump's gullible groupies would be all over her, so their utter hypocrisy is astounding.