Where are you going?

[InChrist]

I see that according to the biblical scriptures, all people were created for the purpose of being in a relationship of love, unity, and oneness with God the Creator forever. I believe the the eternal relationship of perfect love shared between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is something which God desires to include all His created human beings into. Jesus prayed for this unity and oneness for His disciples ...

If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever he Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.(John 14:19-20).

From my reading and understanding, this oneness with God is the only thing which can truly meet the innermost need of a person and give someone significance and peace now and forever, because again, that is the sole purpose for human creation... to be eternally included within the Love of God.
The biblical message also shows that sin harms and breaks this relationship. Satan, the initiator of sin, who hates God and humanity seems intent on doing all he can, using any method he can to prevent, disrupt, or destroy such relationships of love and unity between created and Creator.
The scriptures reveal that sin brings death and separation from God forever. Satan and the demons will be separated forever. So eternity may be spent in loving relationship with God the only Source of life, love, light and joy or separated in lonely darkness, misery, and rebellion. I see only two eternal options.
Where do you plan on going?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Hello, InChrist. Nice thread topic.

I don't see the need for a binary choice, personally, since I don't believe I'll go anywhere after death. Instead, I aim to do my best to leave the world a better place than it was when I came into it, no matter how small the difference I make. As long as it's positive and done with my best efforts, I'm satisfied. I don't need belief in the supernatural for this purpose in life or satisfaction.

 

[averageJOE]

If god is omniscient then the question is already answered.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I see that according to the biblical scriptures, all people were created for the purpose of being in a relationship of love, unity, and oneness with God the Creator forever. I believe the the eternal relationship of perfect love shared between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is something which God desires to include all His created human beings into. Jesus prayed for this unity and oneness for His disciples ...

If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever he Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.(John 14:19-20).

From my reading and understanding, this oneness with God is the only thing which can truly meet the innermost need of a person and give someone significance and peace now and forever, because again, that is the sole purpose for human creation... to be eternally included within the Love of God.
The biblical message also shows that sin harms and breaks this relationship. Satan, the initiator of sin, who hates God and humanity seems intent on doing all he can, using any method he can to prevent, disrupt, or destroy such relationships of love and unity between created and Creator.
The scriptures reveal that sin brings death and separation from God forever. Satan and the demons will be separated forever. So eternity may be spent in loving relationship with God the only Source of life, love, light and joy or separated in lonely darkness, misery, and rebellion. I see only two eternal options.
Where do you plan on go?

(In general conversation) My time and day is now rather than tomorrow. My father and aunt are sick. My mother is making herself sick. Im sick (no pun). We are all dealing with illnesses some chronic others in the mind mostly and reaching the Cross Roads of life. So our place is now.

Where do I plan to go? If I get off this computer, I plan to spend some time in my living room with my ancestors and grandmothers (the ancestral spirits collectively). Light a candle and remember as much as I can etc.

What does this do for me? Reminds me I will one day be an ancestor. I wont have children but I have cousins and second cousins, sisters, brothers, who may take on what they know about me if I preceed their passing. I know. Sounds grim; and, its life.

The term god is a stranger to me. Its like telling me a stranger knows me more than my own family and more than myself. Its like telling me to try to make a house your home.

Doesnt aways work that way. I have family everywhere around the globe. In the afterlife, maybe I will see them as we walk the earth helping our family and our loved ones. Maybe we lay in eternal rest.

Eithe or, the time is now. I plan to pray.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If god is omniscient then the question is already answered.

Remember God's foreknowledge is flexible. It works in harmony with the gift of free-will choices that God grants mankind.

If God chose unlimited power or knowledge to know all our choices, then the Adam and Eve scenario would Not have taken place.
Why would God wait until A&E were dead to pass judgement on them unless He chose Not to interfere with their free-will choices.

 

[Aquitaine]

I see that according to the biblical scriptures, all people were created for the purpose of being in a relationship of love, unity, and oneness with God the Creator forever. I believe the the eternal relationship of perfect love shared between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is something which God desires to include all His created human beings into. Jesus prayed for this unity and oneness for His disciples ...

If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever he Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.(John 14:19-20).

From my reading and understanding, this oneness with God is the only thing which can truly meet the innermost need of a person and give someone significance and peace now and forever, because again, that is the sole purpose for human creation... to be eternally included within the Love of God.
The biblical message also shows that sin harms and breaks this relationship. Satan, the initiator of sin, who hates God and humanity seems intent on doing all he can, using any method he can to prevent, disrupt, or destroy such relationships of love and unity between created and Creator.
The scriptures reveal that sin brings death and separation from God forever. Satan and the demons will be separated forever. So eternity may be spent in loving relationship with God the only Source of life, love, light and joy or separated in lonely darkness, misery, and rebellion. I see only two eternal options.
Where do you plan on go?

All humans currently alive are in the same big boat. In regards to where we're heading after death, like it or not we all have to go down the same road: the "I honestly have no idea" road.

 

[Sunstone]

...oneness with God...

I'm not sure what you mean by "oneness". Do you mean that people will become one with God in the sense of being identical with, and united with, God so that there is no difference between the two? Or are you using the term "oneness" in a looser sense, perhaps to suggest an exceptionally close relationship with God in which the two are nevertheless not perfectly identical?

 

[Thana]

I see that according to the biblical scriptures, all people were created for the purpose of being in a relationship of love, unity, and oneness with God the Creator forever. I believe the the eternal relationship of perfect love shared between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is something which God desires to include all His created human beings into. Jesus prayed for this unity and oneness for His disciples ...

If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever he Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.(John 14:19-20).

From my reading and understanding, this oneness with God is the only thing which can truly meet the innermost need of a person and give someone significance and peace now and forever, because again, that is the sole purpose for human creation... to be eternally included within the Love of God.
The biblical message also shows that sin harms and breaks this relationship. Satan, the initiator of sin, who hates God and humanity seems intent on doing all he can, using any method he can to prevent, disrupt, or destroy such relationships of love and unity between created and Creator.
The scriptures reveal that sin brings death and separation from God forever. Satan and the demons will be separated forever. So eternity may be spent in loving relationship with God the only Source of life, love, light and joy or separated in lonely darkness, misery, and rebellion. I see only two eternal options.
Where do you plan on go?

I don't really think about it.
God is still guiding me through this life, And I'm still stumbling every few steps, so I don't see the value in pondering the next one as of yet.

And I don't think waving around a pleasant afterlife as a possible prize for belief in God is going to persuade anyone of anything. I think that by doing so you're putting more value on the afterlife God can give you than on God Himself.

 

[InChrist]

Hello, InChrist. Nice thread topic.

I don't see the need for a binary choice, personally, since I don't believe I'll go anywhere after death. Instead, I aim to do my best to leave the world a better place than it was when I came into it, no matter how small the difference I make. As long as it's positive and done with my best efforts, I'm satisfied. I don't need belief in the supernatural for this purpose in life or satisfaction.

Thank you.

I think it is important to impact the world positively, trying to make a difference. Yet, I think it is certainly also important to consider eternity.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

(In general conversation) My time and day is now rather than tomorrow. My father and aunt are sick. My mother is making herself sick. Im sick (no pun). We are all dealing with illnesses some chronic others in the mind mostly and reaching the Cross Roads of life. So our place is now.
Where do I plan to go? If I get off this computer, I plan to spend some time in my living room with my ancestors and grandmothers (the ancestral spirits collectively). Light a candle and remember as much as I can etc.
What does this do for me? Reminds me I will one day be an ancestor. I wont have children but I have cousins and second cousins, sisters, brothers, who may take on what they know about me if I preceed their passing. I know. Sounds grim; and, its life.
The term god is a stranger to me. Its like telling me a stranger knows me more than my own family and more than myself. Its like telling me to try to make a house your home
Doesnt always work that way. I have family everywhere around the globe. In the afterlife, maybe I will see them as we walk the earth helping our family and our loved ones. Maybe we lay in eternal rest.
Either or, the time is now. I plan to pray.

Yes, I can agree 'our place is now', but also future, and very sorry to hear of the sicknesses you are dealing with.
In Scripture it speaks of a resurrection which is different from the after-life teaching ( being more alive after death than before death )
Resurrection means being resurrected to heavenly life for some - Revelation 20:6
But, the majority of mankind will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection on earth.- Matthew 5:5

We are nearing a soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on earth - Matthew 25:31-33
Humble people ( symbolic sheep ) can remain alive on earth, and continue to live on earth, right into the start of Jesus having governmental rulership over earth.
In other words, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.
According to Scripture, then No one on earth will say, " I am sick..." - Isaiah 33:24 - because there will be healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Then, under Christ, the sleeping dead will be awakened from death's deep sleep back to healthy sound physical life on earth will the opportunity to live sick-free on earth forever.
So, you can be re-united with dead loved ones as you walk the earth helping your family and your loved ones. - Isaiah 65:21-23
Instead of eternal rest it will be eternal life forever on a beautiful paradisical earth when even 'enemy death' will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

 

[InChrist]

I'm not sure what you mean by "oneness". Do you mean that people will become one with God in the sense of being identical with, and united with, God so that there is no difference between the two? Or are you using the term "oneness" in a looser sense, perhaps to suggest an exceptionally close relationship with God in which the two are nevertheless not perfectly identical?

Those are good questions. I should have been more clear to begin with. I mean to suggest an exceptionally close relationship of love and unity, not that humans will become identical to God. The Bible shows the ideal human relationship of marriage to demonstrate this oneness. A husband and wife who are together in love and unity, yet unique individuals.

 

[InChrist]

I don't really think about it.
God is still guiding me through this life, And I'm still stumbling every few steps, so I don't see the value in pondering the next one as of yet.

And I don't think waving around a pleasant afterlife as a possible prize for belief in God is going to persuade anyone of anything. I think that by doing so you're putting more value on the afterlife God can give you than on God Himself.

I can see your point, yet the since God is eternal I think His plan and destiny for those who seek Him in love certainly involves eternity. This life passes so quickly and before you know it it's over. Many people do care and wonder about what comes next. I think it is an important question because eternity is a very long, unlimited time, much longer than the years of earthy life.
Also, the scriptures say that ...our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. Philippians 3:20

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes, I can agree 'our place is now', but also future, and very sorry to hear of the sicknesses you are dealing with.
In Scripture it speaks of a resurrection which is different from the after-life teaching ( being more alive after death than before death )
Resurrection means being resurrected to heavenly life for some - Revelation 20:6
But, the majority of mankind will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection on earth.- Matthew 5:5

We are nearing a soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on earth - Matthew 25:31-33
Humble people ( symbolic sheep ) can remain alive on earth, and continue to live on earth, right into the start of Jesus having governmental rulership over earth.
In other words, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.
According to Scripture, then No one on earth will say, " I am sick..." - Isaiah 33:24 - because there will be healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Then, under Christ, the sleeping dead will be awakened from death's deep sleep back to healthy sound physical life on earth will the opportunity to live sick-free on earth forever.
So, you can be re-united with dead loved ones as you walk the earth helping your family and your loved ones. - Isaiah 65:21-23
Instead of eternal rest it will be eternal life forever on a beautiful paradisical earth when even 'enemy death' will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

I understand.

The only few scriptures that pop to mind that I somewhat agree with, considering how I know god, is Ecclesiastes 12:6-7:

Remember your Creator before the silver cord is loosed,
Or the golden bowl is broken,
Or the pitcher shattered at the fountain,
Or the wheel broken at the well.
Then the dust will return to the earth as it was,
And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

and

Galations 2:20

I live, no longer I, but Christ lives in me; insofar as I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God who has loved me and given himself up for me.



Where do I know I will go. With family. Blood is pretty important in family (and, to others, in sacrifice).

 

[InChrist]

If god is omniscient then the question is already answered.

I wasn't asking God, though. I am asking people. I think that since love involves choice, then the choice to respond to God's love is answered by each person.

 

[InChrist]

All humans currently alive are in the same big boat. In regards to where we're heading after death, like it or not we all have to go down the same road: the "I honestly have no idea" road.

I agree all humans are in the same boat heading for physical death. Yet, I see that God offers an eternal alternative.

And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 1 John 5:11

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I see that according to the biblical scriptures, all people were created for the purpose of being in a relationship of love, unity, and oneness with God the Creator forever. I believe the the eternal relationship of perfect love shared between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is something which God desires to include all His created human beings into. Jesus prayed for this unity and oneness for His disciples ...
If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever he Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.(John 14:19-20).
From my reading and understanding, this oneness with God is the only thing which can truly meet the innermost need of a person and give someone significance and peace now and forever, because again, that is the sole purpose for human creation... to be eternally included within the Love of God.
The biblical message also shows that sin harms and breaks this relationship. Satan, the initiator of sin, who hates God and humanity seems intent on doing all he can, using any method he can to prevent, disrupt, or destroy such relationships of love and unity between created and Creator.
The scriptures reveal that sin brings death and separation from God forever. Satan and the demons will be separated forever. So eternity may be spent in loving relationship with God the only Source of life, love, light and joy or separated in lonely darkness, misery, and rebellion. I see only two eternal options.
Where do you plan on going?

Yes, unity of oneness - John 17:3; John 17:11; John 17:21-23

There are two (2) eternal options mentioned at 2 Peter 3:9 -> Repent or ' perish ' ( be destroyed )

According to Scripture: Satan will be ' separated ' because Satan will be destroyed - Hebrews 2:14 B
Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2:4 B - along will all the wicked being destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
The executional words from Jesus' mouth will destroy the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-16
Satan ends up in ' second death ' - Revelation 21:8
So, ' second death ' is a fitting term for annihilation or being destroyed forever, whereas the humble repentant or righteous people can gain everlasting life:
Some people will have a first or earlier resurrection to rule over earth for a thousand years with Christ in heaven - Revelation 20:6; 2:10; 5:9-10
Whereas the majority of people can gain everlasting life right here on a beautiful paradisical earth under Christ's governmental rulership over earth - Psalms 72:8;Psalms 72:12-14
Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill, and there will be healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 33:24
Even ' enemy death ' will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8; Revelation 21:4-5

 

[Aquitaine]

I agree all humans are in the same boat heading for physical death. Yet, I see that God offers an eternal alternative.

And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 1 John 5:11

You're still in the same boat as the rest of us, heading through the path of "We have no idea what happens after death", you are just choosing to believe in myth, which is fine, but you're still in our boat.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

All humans currently alive are in the same big boat. In regards to where we're heading after death, like it or not we all have to go down the same road: the "I honestly have no idea" road.

Interesting way to say we are all in the same big boat, and without Jesus' ransom for us, that boat would end up in our eternal death - Matthew 20:28
We are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on earth - Matthew 25:31-33,37
Jesus will separate people. The wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16
The ones counted as righteous ones can remain alive on earth, and continue to live on earth, right into the start of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over earth.
Jesus will undo all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon mankind.
Please notice at Revelation 22:2 that mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' and that means healing for earth's nations.
The return of the ' tree of life ' means No one will say, " I am sick....." because ' enemy death ' will be No more ever again - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8; Isaiah 33:24

So, rather instead of all being in the same boat floating in a troubled sea there are two boats:
One boat is filling with toxic sea water - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13; Isaiah 57:20
One boat is God's boat which is our ship of salvation passing through the coming great tribulation - Revelation 7:14 - into a peaceful righteous new world under Christ.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Who knows. I think I've been around the block quite a few times in terms of the life-death-rebirth cycle, but I probably still have to do a few laps before my soul is prepared to leave that cycle and achieve deification.

 

[Aquitaine]

Interesting way to say we are all in the same big boat, and without Jesus' ransom for us, that boat would end up in our eternal death - Matthew 20:28
We are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on earth - Matthew 25:31-33,37
Jesus will separate people. The wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16
The ones counted as righteous ones can remain alive on earth, and continue to live on earth, right into the start of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over earth.
Jesus will undo all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon mankind.
Please notice at Revelation 22:2 that mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' and that means healing for earth's nations.
The return of the ' tree of life ' means No one will say, " I am sick....." because ' enemy death ' will be No more ever again - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8; Isaiah 33:24

So, rather instead of all being in the same boat floating in a troubled sea there are two boats:
One boat is filling with toxic sea water - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13; Isaiah 57:20
One boat is God's boat which is our ship of salvation passing through the coming great tribulation - Revelation 7:14 - into a peaceful righteous new world under Christ.

Nope, like InChrist you are in the same one universal boat, but you claim to know what happens after death. When it boils down to it, none of us know what happens after death.