zoro said:As for "what is God" -- that's where I'd agree that one is dealing with just an idea.
Can you be sure ? (sorry)
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zoro said:As for "what is God" -- that's where I'd agree that one is dealing with just an idea.
I agree. The issue is, however, whether that conclusion is valid. Can you single it out by pointing someone to "the Universe"? Can you color it red to distinguish it? Can your mind take it in and capture it through your senses as a thing? Or is it merely an interpretation?zoro said:I'd argue that most of us have come to the conclusion (based on an overwhelming amount of evidence) that the universe is more than just "an idea".
Most people have come to the conclusion (based on an overwhelming amount of evidence) that God is more than just "an idea." They are even prepared to accept the possibility that God will continue even when they are dead (and no longer have any ideas).zoro said:As for "what is God" -- that's where I'd agree that one is dealing with just an idea.
doppelgänger said:I agree. The issue is, however, whether that conclusion is valid. Can you single it out by pointing someone to "the Universe"? Can you color it red to distinguish it? Can your mind take it in and capture it through your senses as a thing? Or is it merely an interpretation?
Most people have come to the conclusion (based on an overwhelming amount of evidence) that God is more than just "an idea." They are even prepared prepared to accept the possibility that God will continue even when they are dead (and no longer have any ideas).
But the issue again is whether that conclusion is valid.
"Prove" it? No. First, that the Earth is spherical is an interpretation that depends on context and perspecitve. But even if it could be reduced to an empirical proposition (by agreeing on the parameters and measurements that make something "spherical"), it is still inductive in nature. If we have a common understanding of "spherical," the most I can do is demonstrate that the Earth is almost definitely spherical.michel said:I hate this sort of discussion; can you, doppelgänger, prove to me that the Earth is sperical ? (without resorting to second hand say so's and apparently evinced pictures from space).
zoro said:"And the answer is very simple: nobody. He is Eternal and He is the source of all creation."
Well, maybe that answer is "very simple" for you, but for me, it's so silly that I don't know how you can state it with a straight face. Or are you just joking?!
doppelgänger said:It is true that God was created at the same time and by the same person as our universe was created. But I'm still not a theist.
MysticSang'ha said:Perfect explanation of my own thoughts on the matter.
Peace,
Mystic
Michel said:Where did God come from?
Well, how easy is that? To make such a claim without any evidence is a fiat. How in the world would anyone know that there is such a being?! Certainly such limited beings such as us cannot truly comprehend the creation (it may not have been created at all; see "Infinite Universe theory") of it or its workings.Cordoba said:God is Eternal
He is not constrained by time, nor by the laws of cause and effect
Bingo! That's why anyone from any religion can feel the touch of God. They are emotions that saturate our brains with dopamine and seratonin and all that ooey gooey stuff that makes us feel really great. An internal desire to have purpose and let everything make sense (evolutionarily speaking, purpose is needed to drive concious beings such as humans) drives us to believe in such things. And if conflicting thoughts get in the way (cognitive dissonance), the thought that promotes our interests will 'always' win out. Thus religion lives on...more justifications, more evasions, more people who don't just humble themselves and admit that they may not know everything.Gentoo said:In short, I believe that our emotions created the gods.
A nice story...but not more!Godlike said:God is the quintessence of the energy that is manifest via sound and light : that is, matter itself. God has always existed: but He has not always been Self-aware, I believe. The instigation of Creation, that is the reformation of the pre-existing firmament into what it resembles today (ie. the Cosmos and its composite planes, dimensions and Universes) came to be when God realized God. Thence, the big bang and all the rest of it commemorate this moment when God exploded into Self-consciousness and the resulting complexities of the Creation that resulted are reflective of GOD Himself in all of His own multifarious aspects. Creation is God looking inward @ Himself: the whole is contained in every part.
EiNsTeiN said:A nice story...but not more!
EiNsTeiN said:Whoever tries to link God with science, or denying His existance with science is just wasting his time
EiNsTeiN said:A nice story...but not more!
God existed forever, God existed befor the creation of time and space...That's how God is not a part of our termnology or science...He is a unique and one of a kind...
EiNsTeiN said:Whoever tries to link God with science, or denying His existance with science is just wasting his time