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Where do the Jews believe they are going...

danieldemol

danieldemol

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leov said:
e.g. http://primarywater.org/
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Looking at the primary water cycle at http://www.primarywaterinstitute.org/images/index_page/PWI_water_cycles_small.png

So are you saying that in 40 days, enough water to cover mt everest came through cracks in the earth's mantle where it is stored under immense pressure at 1100 degrees Celcius, came up, flooded Noah without boiling Him alive, without leaving trace of the vast cracks necessary to transport such volumes of water up and back inside 40 days, and without leaving a flood sediment across the entire earth occurred, then went against the pressure which drove it up through the cracks in the first place to return back into the mantle, and all in under 40 days?

I think if you understood how water enters the mantle you would realise it would take too long for such a vast volume of water to re-enter the earths mantle in such a short period of time. Deep water cycle - Wikipedia
 
dianaiad

dianaiad

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danieldemol said:
I agree it’s not a good one, the last ice age ended 11,700 years ago. Noah’s flood story is a bit late in the timeline.
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Not to mention that if all the ice on the globe melted, the sea level would only rise a bit over 400 feet (at least, that's what I remember Dr. Wysession saying in that Great Courses class I watched last week...)

Ah, well.

Next?
 
leov

leov

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danieldemol said:
Looking at the primary water cycle at http://www.primarywaterinstitute.org/images/index_page/PWI_water_cycles_small.png

So are you saying that in 40 days, enough water to cover mt everest came through cracks in the earth's mantle where it is stored under immense pressure at 1100 degrees Celcius, came up, flooded Noah without boiling Him alive, without leaving trace of the vast cracks necessary to transport such volumes of water up and back inside 40 days, and without leaving a flood sediment across the entire earth occurred, then went against the pressure which drove it up through the cracks in the first place to return back into the mantle, and all in under 40 days?

I think if you understood how water enters the mantle you would realise it would take too long for such a vast volume of water to re-enter the earths mantle in such a short period of time. Deep water cycle - Wikipedia
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. Numbers in OT are to fit gematria , no numbers in OT is taken literally. A few days ago there was an article about HUGE lake of fresh water found under Atlantic Ocean near USA.
 
danieldemol

danieldemol

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leov said:
. Numbers in OT are to fit gematria , no numbers in OT is taken literally. A few days ago there was an article about HUGE lake of fresh water found under Atlantic Ocean near USA.
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If you can take the numbers symbolically why not just take the whole story as symbolic, then it won’t clash with science.
 
sooda

sooda

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dianaiad said:
"Wide eyes" and "healthy eyes" are not synonymous.
Lots of people with 'narrow eyes" can see just fine.
Lots of people with 'wide eyes' are blind.

This is true even if your definition of 'wide eyes' is merely 'open eyes.'

For one thing, I live in the de


THIS website, please pardon me, is for people of many different opinions to express them in many and varied ways. Not all of them are correct. Not all of them are sane. We have no way of knowing, even, whether they are who and what they claim to be.

However, one can be fairly confidant that if one goes to, say, chabad.org or jewfaq.org, one can find the official, and correct, information about what Jews believe. Or you can make an appointment with your local Rabbi.

I would not, however, ask the Mormon who sits next to me on the pew of a Sunday what Jews believe regarding anything. ;)

Nor would I accept, without confirmation, what someone on a debate forum told me, and if I have to confirm something with a primary source (you know...ask a Jew?) then why not go to that primary source in the first place?
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As if Jews agree on anything.
 
sooda

sooda

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susanblange said:
I do not believe in a global flood. It was local and it covered the entire known world, the cradle of civilization and the middle east. The only animals included on the ark were those who were indigenous to that part of the world. Most cultures have an almost identical flood story. The Hebrew story came first. The water filled the seas and oceans. Noah's family spent most of their time fishing for food. They ate a lot of sushi.
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LOLOL

The Jews learned the flood story in Babylon and adapted it AFTER the Babylonian exile.
 
Firemorphic

Firemorphic

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Jonathan Bailey said:
The Muslims think 72 virgins await them somewhere outside this physical world.
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As a Muslim, I really hope you're just being facetious and that you're not that stupid to actually think we believe that. 72 virgins is a meme, a funny one, but a stupid meme nonetheless.

In fact the afterlife is not 'life' it's something else entirely - our eschatology is somewhat closer to Hinduism than traditional Christian eschatology, for instance. The afterlife is transcendent bliss, any other description can only be a symbolic metaphor. It's our Soul's union with the source of all existence, with God.
 
J

JJ50

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Firemorphic said:
As a Muslim, I really hope you're just being facetious and that you're not that stupid to actually think we believe that. 72 virgins is a meme, a funny one, but a stupid meme nonetheless.

In fact the afterlife is not 'life' it's something else entirely - our eschatology is somewhat closer to Hinduism than traditional Christian eschatology, for instance. The afterlife is transcendent bliss, any other description can only be a symbolic metaphor. It's our Soul's union with the source of all existence, with God.
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Your opinion, not a fact.
 
dianaiad

dianaiad

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sooda said:
As if Jews agree on anything.
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One of the things I like most about Jews is that they have a very lively exchange of ideas within their beliefs and culture.

One of the other things I like most about them is that they allow such lively exchanges, and still hold to their identity and culture. They have been around for several thousand years, after all. The rest of us could stand to learn from them.

Which is easier than one would think, since Jews are more likely to have college (and graduate) degrees than any other Abrahamic religion.

I had far more Jewish professors than would be properly representational of the population at large.
 
sooda

sooda

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dianaiad said:
One of the things I like most about Jews is that they have a very lively exchange of ideas within their beliefs and culture.

One of the other things I like most about them is that they allow such lively exchanges, and still hold to their identity and culture. They have been around for several thousand years, after all. The rest of us could stand to learn from them.

Which is easier than one would think, since Jews are more likely to have college (and graduate) degrees than any other Abrahamic religion.

I had far more Jewish professors than would be properly representational of the population at large.
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You got it......
 
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