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Where do the Jews believe they are going...

Shaul

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Jews believe that after death we are all judged righteously by HaShem. But that is nothing to fear. He has the greatest love for each of us. Also Jews are not preoccupied about the afterlife. Indeed the Jewish sages teach to us to not be preoccupied with it since that would be pointless. The important thing is to be concerned with how to live this life in the best way we can.
 

susanblange

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Russians had done a lot of research a long time ago, as far as I understand Germanic and Frankish people had some Scythian blood in them, but i kind of expect they will not advertise their DNA findings widely, just a few weeks ago there was a news that biblical Philistine people were Southern European for example.
The Philistines were native to Canaan. Their cities were Ashdod, Ekron, Ashkelon, Gath, and Gaza. Today they are called the "Palestinians". Along with the Syrians, they will conquer and punish Israel when the Messiah comes. Isaiah 9:12. See also Isaiah 11:14. Isaiah 14:29. "Rejoice not thou whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent".
 
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sooda

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The Philistines were native to Canaan. Their cities were Ashdod, Ekron, Ashkelon, Gath, and Gaza. Today they are called the "Palestinians". Along with the Syrians, they will conquer and punish Israel. Isaiah 9:12. See also Isaiah 11:14.
Hogwash
 

leov

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The Philistines were native to Canaan. Their cities were Ashdod, Ekron, Ashkelon, Gath, and Gaza. Today they are called the "Palestinians". Along with the Syrians, they will conquer and punish Israel when the Messiah comes. Isaiah 9:12. See also Isaiah 11:14. Isaiah 14:29. "Rejoice not thou whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent".
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/04/world/philistines-european-dna-trnd/index.html?r=http://www.google.com/search?ei=Af8hXdWHKNXK-gTyy5iICA&q=philistine+dna+is+european&oq=philisti+dna+is+european&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.30i10.9157.17954..20844...2.0..0.111.1353.16j1......0....1.........0i71j0i8i7i30j0i30j0i8i30.JLXlFI6MDrc
i did not expect this but...
 

sooda

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The Philistines were native to Canaan. Their cities were Ashdod, Ekron, Ashkelon, Gath, and Gaza. Today they are called the "Palestinians". Along with the Syrians, they will conquer and punish Israel when the Messiah comes. Isaiah 9:12. See also Isaiah 11:14. Isaiah 14:29. "Rejoice not thou whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent".

In 70 AD Syrians, Egyptians and Arabs fought alongside the Roman troops of Titus and Vespasian because they were part of the Roman Empire.

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Palestine was considered a province of Syria from the time of Greek Historian Herodotus in 500 BC.
 

robocop (actually)

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I actually tried that back in 1970. Then I went on a mission and never went back to Provo...got my degrees elsewhere, much, much, later. ;)

....and since I live 627.4 miles from there now, and only ever pass through the town on the way to see my daughters in Logan, I don't think that the BYU library is an option. Mind you, I go to the UCLA library fairly frequently, and that's pretty good too, but I need a little help with this book, I think.

I was really hoping that you remembered something about it, if not the title, then the author or a keyword, so that I could look it up. I mean, really....I think I"d love to read that one!
Sorry I can't help. I went to BYU and UCLA and they both have good libraries.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
LOL! Lighten' up, kiddo.



Wasn't referring to that part of your post.

I was referring to this:
  • J.B. wrote: "The Muslims think 72 virgins await them somewhere outside this physical world."
  • You responded: "There are no 72 virgins in the Koran.. Don't you ever check your facts?"
Reviewing the thread, I see that you posted two messages before mine to you posted, which suggests to me that you exchanged posts with someone that I must have on "ignore". So, by the time my message to you posted, you appear to have forgotten your response to J.B., which I likened to "kickin' a rock".

LOLOL.. Okay.
 

Shaul

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Premium Member
The Philistines were native to Canaan. Their cities were Ashdod, Ekron, Ashkelon, Gath, and Gaza. Today they are called the "Palestinians". Along with the Syrians, they will conquer and punish Israel when the Messiah comes. Isaiah 9:12. See also Isaiah 11:14. Isaiah 14:29. "Rejoice not thou whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent".
This is factually incorrect on several points. The Philistines were not native to Canaan. They migrated to the Levant circa the 12th century BCE. The ancient Philistines ceased more than a millennium before the Arab conquest of the Levant. The myth that the current Arabs which claim to be “Palestinians” is precisely that, a myth. This modern myth is a completely modern creation by the “Palestinians” and is a contrivance.
 

sooda

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This is factually incorrect on several points. The Philistines were not native to Canaan. They migrated to the Levant circa the 12th century BCE. The ancient Philistines ceased more than a millennium before the Arab conquest of the Levant. The myth that the current Arabs which claim to be “Palestinians” is precisely that, a myth. This modern myth is a completely modern creation by the “Palestinians” and is a contrivance.

Palestinians are descended from first century Jewish farmers who didn't leave.. Over time they married Arabs, Turks, Syrians, Romans, Greeks and Crusaders.

The first I heard of that was from David Ben Gurion.

FYI, they were called Palestinians in 1950.
 

Shaul

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Palestinians are descended from first century Jewish farmers who didn't leave.. Over time they married Arabs, Turks, Syrians, Romans, Greeks and Crusaders.

The first I heard of that was from David Ben Gurion.

FYI, they were called Palestinians in 1950.
In a word, no. Palestinians refer to the various groups that live in a region the was named Palestine by the Romans. The name Palestine was chosen by the Romans in a conscious attempt to dissociate it from Judea and Samaria after the Jewish revolts of the first and second centuries. The Jews that remained in the region did not intermarry in any great numbers with non-Jews. Jews have been living in Judea and Samaria continuously. They lived there for a millennium before the region was ever called Palestine.
 

sooda

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In a word, no. Palestinians refer to the various groups that live in a region the was named Palestine by the Romans. The name Palestine was chosen by the Romans in a conscious attempt to dissociate it from Judea and Samaria after the Jewish revolts of the first and second centuries. The Jews that remained in the region did not intermarry in any great numbers with non-Jews. Jews have been living in Judea and Samaria continuously. They lived there for a millennium before the region was ever called Palestine.

No .. Palestine was a province of Syria according to the Greek historian Herodotus circa 500 BC.

Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes in Samaria...

Biblical Archaeology 16: Sargon II Inscriptions | Theo ...
https://theosophical.wordpress.com/.../15/biblical-archaeology-16-sargon-ii-inscriptions
Aug 15, 2011 · 2 Kings 17.24 And the king of Assyria brought people from Babylon, Cuthah, Avva, Hamath, and Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the people of Israel. And they took possession of Samaria and lived in its cities.

When I was a little girl there were thousands of Palestinians living and working in Arabia before1950.
 

Shaul

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Premium Member
No .. Palestine was a province of Syria according to the Greek historian Herodotus circa 500 BC.

Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes in Samaria...

Biblical Archaeology 16: Sargon II Inscriptions | Theo ...
https://theosophical.wordpress.com/.../15/biblical-archaeology-16-sargon-ii-inscriptions
Aug 15, 2011 · 2 Kings 17.24 And the king of Assyria brought people from Babylon, Cuthah, Avva, Hamath, and Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the people of Israel. And they took possession of Samaria and lived in its cities.

When I was a little girl there were thousands of Palestinians living and working in Arabia before1950.
You are equating the Greek word Palaistine and the Latin Palestine erroneously. While Herodotus referred to the region as Palaistine, the people who lived there then were the Jews and the Samaritans, and the land already had a name before he applied his own, Judea and Samaria. The land was called Judea and Samaria long before it was ever called Palaistine by Herodotus. The Samaritans were completely subjugated by the Hellenistic Seleucids, and did intermarry. However the Jews resisted, did not intermarry, and eventually reclaimed full autonomy, which lasted until it was absorbed into the Roman Empire with quasi-independence. Under the Romans the region was first referred to as Judea, not Palestine. For example, Herod the Great was called the King of Judea, not the King of Palestine. It was only after the Jews revolted that the Romans renamed the region. In part as an attempt to obliterate the Jewish connection with the land. Modern attempts to insist on referring to the land as Palestine instead of its prior name of Judea and Samaria are just more attempts to make the land “Juden Rein”.
 

sooda

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You are equating the Greek word Palaistine and the Latin Palestine erroneously. While Herodotus referred to the region as Palaistine, the people who lived there then were the Jews and the Samaritans, and the land already had a name before he applied his own, Judea and Samaria. The land was called Judea and Samaria long before it was ever called Palaistine by Herodotus.

The Samaritans were completely subjugated by the Hellenistic Seleucids, and did intermarry. However the Jews resisted, did not intermarry, and eventually reclaimed full autonomy, which lasted until it was absorbed into the Roman Empire with quasi-independence. Under the Romans the region was first referred to as Judea, not Palestine. For example, Herod the Great was called the King of Judea, not the King of Palestine. It was only after the Jews revolted that the Romans renamed the region. In part as an attempt to obliterate the Jewish connection with the land. Modern attempts to insist on referring to the land as Palestine instead of its prior name of Judea and Samaria are just more attempts to make the land “Juden Rein”.

Actually, you might give some thought to the morality of stripping people of their identity and heritage.

Its no secret that Judea despised Israel..
 

robocop (actually)

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Premium Member
...when they die a physical death?

For most Christians, the possibilities for a hereafter is heaven or hell.

The Muslims think 72 virgins await them somewhere outside this physical world.

I just read in "Comparative Religion for Dummies,"

Jews didn't really make much detail out of Heaven. It was God's home.

The good have God radiate his divine presence on them.
 
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