Where does the Quran say Muhammad is the last Messenger of God?

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I think we need to see How Imams explained it.

Then see the mutuwatur hadiths about Imam Mahdi (a) being kept alive, instead, of cherry picking hadiths here and there.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The exceptions make sense to me. But more importantly, they are true per Quran. Isa (a) is alive per Quran.

But religion must make logical sense, otherwise why should anyone believe in it?
So, again, why should Allah keep a few exceptions, and not Muhammad?
If it is not logical, why would you believe it is from Allah?

Besides that, But the Quran also says that Those who are killed in the Parh of God are alive. 2:154

Then based on this verse Imam Hussein, Imam Ali are alive too.
Right?

So, what difference does it make, if the Quran says, Jesus and Khizr are alive. It cannot name all those who are killed. It is giving names of a few who were killed for God, and saying they are alive. You can also say Imam Hussein is alive.

 

[Trailblazer]

If God is to preserve His words, wouldn't you think that he would? In Islam, we believe all revelation that came from Allah, is of course INFALLIBLE. But men screwed around with them since the beginnin...not adhering, going astray, worshippin idols, etc....thus the messages got lost.

Yes, that is what happened.

They all knew the last message was to come and Allah sent Mohammad pbuh with the last revelation.

They might have believed that but that is because they misinterpreted the Qur'an. Muhammad was not the last Messenger who would ever come, He was the “Seal of the Prophets” who sealed off the Adamic Cycle of religion.

“It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath lived is divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be characterized as God’s appointed Day. This Day, however, is unique, and is to be distinguished from those that have preceded it. The designation “Seal of the Prophets” fully revealeth its high station. The Prophetic Cycle hath, verily, ended. The Eternal Truth is now come. He hath lifted up the Ensign of Power, and is now shedding upon the world the unclouded splendor of His Revelation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 60

 

[Trailblazer]

One the things it says about it, is that there will be no denier of it. Everyone will know it occurred.

Can you point out the verses that say everyone will know?

 

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Can you point out the verses that say everyone will know?

لَيْسَ لِوَقْعَتِهَا كَاذِبَةٌ

There is to it's passing no denier.
(56:2)

اسْتَجِيبُوا لِرَبِّكُمْ مِنْ قَبْلِ أَنْ يَأْتِيَ يَوْمٌ لَا مَرَدَّ لَهُ مِنَ اللَّهِ ۚ مَا لَكُمْ مِنْ مَلْجَإٍ يَوْمَئِذٍ وَمَا لَكُمْ مِنْ نَكِيرٍ | Respond to your Lord before there comes a day for which there will be no revoking from Allah. On that day you will have no refuge, nor will you able to have denial| Ash-Shura : 47

When the proof is manifest and is forced upon people, their will is no longer sincere, for this reason the Quran says:

إِنَّ السَّاعَةَ آتِيَةٌ أَكَادُ أُخْفِيهَا لِتُجْزَىٰ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ بِمَا تَسْعَىٰ | Indeed the Hour is bound to come: I will have it hidden, so that every soul may be rewarded by what for it strives. | Taa-Haa : 15

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Then see the mutuwatur hadiths about Imam Mahdi (a) being kept alive, instead, of cherry picking hadiths here and there.

Sure, the Prophet and Imam said, a Hadith must be in agreement with the Quran. So, can you please quote which verse is saying Imam Mahdi will be alive for a 1000 years?
An allusion is enough. I am not saying show a verse that says this, but which verse according to Imams are about Mahdi remaining alive and hidden somewhere.

I know about the stars verse, which are Imam. But as we discussed, the Imams said it is about thr Imam who disappears in year 260 AH, who we know was Imam Hasan Askari. Then they said the Disappearance of Qaim is after He rises, because it will be after sufiyani.
So, how does the Shia belief is compatible with what Imams said. And more importantly how is it compatible with the Quran?

 

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But religion must make logical sense, otherwise why should anyone believe in it?
So, again, why should Allah keep a few exceptions, and not Muhammad?
If it is not logical, why would you believe it is from Allah?

Besides that, But the Quran also says that Those who are killed in the Parh of God are alive. 2:154

Then based on this verse Imam Hussein, Imam Ali are alive too.
Right?

So, what difference does it make, if the Quran says, Jesus and Khizr are alive. It cannot name all those who are killed. It is giving names of a few who were killed for God, and saying they are alive. You can also say Imam Hussein is alive.

Ahlulbayt (a) are alive, but this is from perspective they died but are in a spiritual world connected to us through Imam of our time. The exception is one or two of each Ahlulbayt are kept alive for some event in the future, that will be huge.

In case of Mohammad's (s) revelation and his successors, they all foretold of Imam Mahdi (a) being the 12th successor. It makes sense to have him alive for many reasons. Among them, he is to guide the believers upon the straight path and there is for every people, a Guide to do so.

Isa (a) was foretold to be the Messiah, meaning he will rule the earth at end times from offspring of Dawood (a). They thought by killing him, they would prove him not to be Messiah, but God raised him up. He will come back and support Imam Mahdi (a), pray behind him as the hadiths indicate, and some of hadiths say he is second in command. But they both rule.

The Quran shows not a people of the book but will believe in Isa (a) before his death. This means there will come a time when everyone accepts Isa (a) from people of the book and no denies him.

 

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Sure, the Prophet and Imam said, a Hadith must be in agreement with the Quran. So, can you please quote which verse is saying Imam Mahdi will be alive for a 1000 years?
An allusion is enough. I am not saying show a verse that says this, but which verse according to Imams are about Mahdi remaining alive and hidden somewhere.

I know about the stars verse, which are Imam. But as we discussed, the Imams said it is about thr Imam who disappears in year 260 AH, who we know was Imam Hasan Askari. Then they said the Disappearance of Qaim is after He rises, because it will be after sufiyani.
So, how does the Shia belief is compatible with what Imams said. And more importantly how is it compatible with the Quran?

There are many verses about Imams/Guides/Witnesses. collect them all and reflect over them. I've proven to you in the past, but you don't accept it. Nuh (a) lived a long time per Quran as well. Isa (a) is alive.

 

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Yes, that is what happened.

They might have believed that but that is because they misinterpreted the Qur'an. Muhammad was not the last Messenger who would ever come, He was the “Seal of the Prophets” who sealed off the Adamic Cycle of religion.

“It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath lived is divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be characterized as God’s appointed Day. This Day, however, is unique, and is to be distinguished from those that have preceded it. The designation “Seal of the Prophets” fully revealeth its high station. The Prophetic Cycle hath, verily, ended. The Eternal Truth is now come. He hath lifted up the Ensign of Power, and is now shedding upon the world the unclouded splendor of His Revelation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 60

You can believe in your version and I will stick with what Allah says in the Holy Quran and Sunnah.

 

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You can believe in your version and I will stick with what Allah says in the Holy Quran and Sunnah.

Notice the two different explanations. The one in Kitabal Itqaan is embarrassing so quoted a lot less by Bahais.

 

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By the way, Quran shows while Guides like Elyas and the Mahdi are hidden from public view and there is not always miracles in the open and hence not always an Imam in the open. It's very simple how to meet him.

Step 1, believe in what the holy books say about leadership and there always being a leader and guide from God.
Step 2, believe you can be guided and pray for God to guide you by that leader like Du'a nudba talks about meeting with the leader and Du'a Zaman Al-Ghayba we asked to be guided by his hands.
Step 3, don't accuse leader of being a lying sorcerer when he shows you miracles and proves himself to you or don't say you are hallucinating if he connects you to spiritual world and his light
Step 4, obey him and serve the Imam and prefer him over yourself.

Very easy.

We overcomplicate.

 

[MyM]

By the way, Quran shows while Guides like Elyas and the Mahdi are hidden from public view and there is not always miracles in the open and hence not always an Imam in the open. It's very simple how to meet him.

Step 1, believe in what the holy books say about leadership and there always being a leader and guide from God.
Step 2, believe you can be guided and pray for God to guide you by that leader like Du'a nudba talks about meeting with the leader and Du'a Zaman Al-Ghayba we asked to be guided by his hands.
Step 3, don't accuse leader of being a lying sorcerer when he shows you miracles and proves himself to you or don't say you are hallucinating if he connects you to spiritual world and his light
Step 4, obey him and serve the Imam and prefer him over yourself.

Very easy.

We overcomplicate.

The mehdi is not found in the Quran but only through authenticated ahadith of Mohammad pbuh. This is the KNOWN consensus.

 

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The mehdi is not found in the Quran but only through authenticated ahadith of Mohammad pbuh. This is the KNOWN consensus.

I believe everything in Sunnah can be found in the Quran.

 

[MyM]

I believe everything in Sunnah can be found in the Quran.

Impossible. Allah tells you to pray 5 times a day but does not give you details in the Quran of ablution, how many rakats etc. etc. etc. Allah left the details for Mohammad pbuh. How can you say that what is in the Sunnah is also in Quran? That is the beauty of Allah. They both compliment each other.

 

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Impossible. Allah tells you to pray 5 times a day but does not give you details in the Quran of ablution, how many rakats etc. etc. etc. Allah left the details for Mohammad pbuh. How can you say that what is in the Sunnah is also in Quran? That is the beauty of Allah. They both compliment each other.

I personally found the exact number of Rukoos, sujood, etc, but it's not through explicit. It's a way of seeing the inward reasons, and this takes understanding of a lot. So yes, we need Sunnah to be explicit. They compliment each other.

Without the Sunnah, we can't understand Quran. But without Quran, we can't understand the Sunnah. So they are to be taken together.

 

[MyM]

I personally found the exact number of Rukoos, sujood, etc, but it's not through explicit. It's a way of seeing the inward reasons, and this takes understanding of a lot. So yes, we need Sunnah to be explicit. They compliment each other.

Without the Sunnah, we can't understand Quran. But without Quran, we can't understand the Sunnah. So they are to be taken together.

lol no idea what you mean through inward reason as it isn't in the Quran but yet, In Islam, you can't just have ne or the other, you need both.

 

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lol no idea what you mean through inward reason as it isn't in the Quran but yet, In Islam, you can't just have ne or the other, you need both.

I agree with you we need both. But I still believe all Sunnah can be found in Quran and vice versa, all of Quran is somehow found in the Sunnah. They go together. Where one is explicit, the other explains implicitly. They are outward and inward of one another, Sunnah if explicit will have Quranic explanation, if Quran is explicit without inward explanation ,you will find the inward explanation in the Sunnah.

They can't be separated.

 

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As for why didn't Allah stop at the Torah or Injeel. This is a question, you can ask Allah when you see him. We know that Allah in his ultimate mightiful wisdom knows more and is the best of planners. We do not second guess Allah as to why He does things the way he does. But that really is a wrong question to ask.

"Injeel", Yeshua, said false prophets are coming (Matthew 24:11, and will "mislead" the "many", and of course, there have been many false prophets who followed, including some supposed character cobbled into history, who was called Mohammad.

 

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lol no idea what you mean through inward reason as it isn't in the Quran but yet, In Islam, you can't just have ne or the other, you need both.

There were no Hadiths until the 9th century, yet supposedly there was a thriving Islamic religion beforehand. Not that the Islamic religion existed before the late 7th century, but it had no written background history until the 9th century, and little evidence of a Koran in surviving written form prior to the 8th century apart from incomplete fragments. What you have is a political narrative meant to compete with the history of the people of the book, the Jews, with parts taken from Jewish, Christian, and Persian text, incorporated with historical events from other places.

 

[loverofhumanity]

No, you cant say because you have zero information to go on.
Anything said is simply made up

There’s over 1,000 years of tradition to go on.