Where is God during disasters?

[michel]

Here is another view. Read Genesis 6:5-7. Does not it explain (whether taken from context or not) that the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth,

No it does not. If God was "sorry", He would have said so. It says it "repented" the Lord that He had made man on the Earth.

And thus apparently he did through a natural disaster.

The Flood was a "natural disaster"?

 

[michel]

Who do you refer to as "we"?

The old testament "describes" (it's version of) the creation of the world. IF that is flawed, then so is the earth, which I believe it is. Our world today is not the world
it used to be. without natural disater, with the Garden of Eden looking beautiful, without
dancing galloping zebras. The world was apparently perfect until man (and woman) and the serpent (satan) did their business.

And yes I will read your thread MICH, I always do

Heh - I'm not drumming up an audience - it is just that I think the answer to your question might be in that thread.

OH, and BTW, do I still have to pay you each month, for reading my threads?:biglaugh:

 

[Malus 12:9]

god gave us this world, would we blame god if we destroyed it.....

No to both, but I will give you frubals as that was a good post.

 

[michel]

No it does not. If God was "sorry", He would have said so. It says it "repented" the Lord that He had made man on the Earth.


The Flood was a "natural disaster"?

Good point AV; fruballs to you.

 

[Malus 12:9]

It says it "repented" the Lord that He had made man on the Earth.

5 The L[size=-1]ORD[/size] saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. [size=-2]6[/size]And the L[size=-1]ORD[/size] was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. [size=-2]7[/size]So the L[size=-1]ORD[/size] said, ‘I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have created—people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.’

Man, Christianity is too confusing. Say this, mean that, imply this, correct that.

The Flood was a "natural disaster"?

A flood is a natural disater, regardless of how caused. Perhaps you should read the definition of "flood". I reccomend this: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/

Don't want to look it up?

1. An overflowing of water onto land that is normally dry.
2. Flood In the Bible, the covering of the earth with water that occurred during the time of Noah.

 

[Malus 12:9]

Good point AV; fruballs to you.

Curious, what was good about it? :sarcastic

 

[michel]

Curious, what was good about it? :sarcastic

"No it does not. If God was "sorry", He would have said so. It says it "repented" the Lord that He had made man on the Earth."

O.K, being sorry can bring about the want or need to repent, but the two words have different meanings; sorry "I should not have done that" repent: "to feel sorrow" is one of the meanings. He could still feel sorrow, without believing that he had made a mistake.

 

[michel]

Don't want to look it up?

1. An overflowing of water onto land that is normally dry.
2. Flood In the Bible, the covering of the earth with water that occurred during the time of Noah.

I know what a flood is, Renaldo. But to say Noah's flood was a natural disaster (look THAT up) is anything but.

God created the Earth with a water canopy around it. In Noah's time, God released that canopy on to the surface.

The result is not found in any dictionary.

 

[Malus 12:9]

5 The L[size=-1]ORD[/size] saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. [size=-2]6[/size]And the L[size=-1]ORD[/size] was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. [size=-2]7[/size]So the L[size=-1]ORD[/size] said, ‘I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have created—people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.’
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:sarcastic

The Bible IS supposed to be God's word, no? Man, christianity is weird.

 

[Malus 12:9]

I know what a flood is, Renaldo. But to say Noah's flood was a natural disaster (look THAT up) is anything but.

Then what was it?:areyoucra It was a disaster, and was caused by natural elements.

God created the Earth with a water canopy around it. In Noah's time, God released that canopy on to the surface.
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My point exactly, if people actually read my posts instead of finding flaw in them. IF
God did that back then, who is to say the answers to this whole thread are not that God repeated this process?

 

[michel]

:sarcasticThe Bible IS supposed to be God's word, no?

Yes it is, since God is the Author.

Man, christianity is weird.

Not weird --- peculiar --- Titus 2:14; 1 Peter 2:9

 

[michel]

From the KJV:-

Genesis​

6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
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(Universal wickedness requires a universal cause adequate to produce it. Nothing less than a worldwide influx of demonic control seems adequate to explain it.)​

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6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. ​

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(The first mention of the word "heart" occurs here, connecting the evil in man's heart with grief in God's heart. This figure occurs often in Scripture, the "heart" representing the deepest seat of one's emotions and decisions.)​

 

[michel]

My point exactly, if people actually read my posts instead of finding flaw in them. IF God did that back then, who is to say the answers to this whole thread are not that God repeated this process?

If God were to repeat this process you and I wouldn't be here discussing it, I guarantee it.

 

[Malus 12:9]

From your statement, MICH, I think I should switch Bible versions.

 

[michel]

From the KJV:-

Genesis​

6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.​

(Universal wickedness requires a universal cause adequate to produce it. Nothing less than a worldwide influx of demonic control seems adequate to explain it.)​

6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. ​

(The first mention of the word "heart" occurs here, connecting the evil in man's heart with grief in God's heart. This figure occurs often in Scripture, the "heart" representing the deepest seat of one's emotions and decisions.)​

Michel, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to butt in on your conversation. Carry on!

 

[Malus 12:9]

If God were to repeat this process you and I wouldn't be here discussing it, I guarantee it.

This is not a disagreement with your statement but a brief friendly answer.

I don't believe/follow God, so therefore, I don't believe it will occur.

 

[michel]

Michel, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to butt in on your conversation. Carry on!

Actually, It was I who butted into yours!:biglaugh: Sorry

 

[JerryL]

You're right. He created the universe and everything in it. He created the laws which govern the universe. Bad things happen.

So now I guess I'm supposed to just stop believing in Him and refuse to worship Him. Sorry, that's not going to happen. You see, I think He's got a better perspective of the entire picture than any of us do. The fact that it's tragic doesn't necessarily mean that it's cruel.

I don't really care what you believe. I was clarifying what Deut was saying and reenforcing that the logic was correct.

Your desire to not hold God to any standards, and redefine any word (cruel, evil, etc) ad hoc in order to not apply them to God is your own problem.

It's also a false delemmia. God being cruel or not in no wasy effects whether there is a god.

 

[Katzpur]

No, I wanted to hear your opinion

You asked me what a non-believer would have to say about this. I don't know. I'm not a non-believer. I don't pretend to be able to read other people's minds.

While that may be sufficiently correct, you also believe that God "Allows" disasters to happen, right?

Yes.

So are you stating, (from what is read in your posts) that God allowed the disaster to happen, but, because God "let it happen" it isn't cruel?

Look, I know you and I just don't see eye to eye on this. I'm saying that what we as human beings equate the words "tragic" and "cruel." I don't think they are the same to God. I think He has a reason for allowing tragedies to affect us. We don't always understand His reasons, but it's up to us to deal with the fact that bad things are going to happen to people who were innocent of any wrongdoing. We need to focus on what we can do to come to the aid of those affected by this (or any other) tragedy and stop trying to decide whether God had a "right" to let it happen. We're not going to solve that dilemma anyway.

What if the forecasters and weather beaureu knew it was coming, but didn't publicize it on radio or television. That would be cruel though, wouldn't it? :jam:

Yeah, it would. I think it's a pretty poor analogy, though.

Or does He continually say to Himself, "I'm tired of this world, wonder if I can wipe everything off like a computer and start over"?

Again, I don't know what God says to Himself.

Kathryn

 

[Prophet Rashad]

A beautiful example of my point. There's a murder, it's man's doing. There's no murder, it's God's doing. It's a pity hypocracy doesn't hurt.

BTW, since you think America used to be more Godly, why have we always had murders (in point of fact, voilent crime in america has been going down for 10 years).

I truly do believe that America had more Godly Morals in the 50's and 60's then we do now. We in this country are if the belief that if it feels good do it. We sugar coat blatant sin we call Adultry a little affair. We call Homosexuality a way of life not a sin so yes I believe that America used to be more Godly

-The Prophet