Where Is Jesus PHYSICALLY Right Now?

[029b10]

What's interesting is that in all my years as a Christian, never once, even as a child, did I interpret those above passages to be referring to Heaven in the sense of where God and the angels live. I always, and still do, understand those as referring to the sky; the place where clouds float, where stars and the moon hang, and so forth. It's really clear from the context it's referring to them.

Psalm 19, for instance cleary expresses this exactly that way

The heavens are telling of the glory of God;
And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
2 Day to day pours forth speech,
And night to night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech, nor are there words;
Their voice is not heard.
4 Their [a]line has gone out through all the earth,
And their utterances to the end of the world.
In them He has placed a tent for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber;
It rejoices as a strong man to run his course.
6 Its rising is from one end of the heavens,
And its circuit to the [c]other end of them;
And there is nothing hidden from its heat.
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This is glaringly obvious it's referring to the sky. It's speaking about our sun that we see and gives us our heat moving across it. Unless you believe when we die, we literally go to the clouds and the stars like astronauts? Do you believe my great grandfather is living on Jupiter?

Now it should be clearly obvious that "Heaven" when referred to as the spiritual abode, is speaking metaphorically, borrowing the term for the sky to express a place "above", without it being a literal, physical place. The sky actually is of this world.

And how do you interpret the crucifixion of an innocent man so that you could wash your sins in his blood? Probably not as a human sacrifice either huh?

 

[Windwalker]

And how do you interpret the crucifixion of an innocent man so that you could wash your sins in his blood? Probably not as a human sacrifice either huh?

What does that have to do with your misreading the context in which the word heaven is to to be referring to in those passages? Those verses were clearly not referring to the home of angles with harps and whatnot. They are not referring to the "Kingdom of God". They are clearly referring to the sky where birds fly, that thing you see everyday up above your head........

 

[029b10]

What does that have to do with your misreading the context in which the word heaven is to to be referring to in those passages? Those verses were clearly not referring to the home of angles with harps and whatnot. They are not referring to the "Kingdom of God". They are clearly referring to the sky where birds fly, that thing you see everyday up above your head........

Yes, the way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath. And wisdom is to high for one void of understanding. So if the Spirit teaches you that massless nature of the expanse was a different Word then I would follow the truth, without doubt.

Living in a sphere, that which is above is the same as that which is beneath, upon the circle of earth that abodes in the deep. And thus the only I word I can offer those without is to seek within, hopefully you understand that mortal and eternal are only connected by the Immortal one who was given in the beginning, and by whose Divine nature is the promise given that gives me hope in the Holy One who always was and is never ending.

 

[Windwalker]

Yes, the way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath. And wisdom is to high for one void of understanding. So if the Spirit teaches you that massless nature of the expanse was a different Word then I would follow the truth, without doubt.

Living in a sphere, that which is above is the same as that which is beneath, upon the circle of earth that abodes in the deep. And thus the only I word I can offer those without is to seek within, hopefully you understand that mortal and eternal are only connected by the Immortal one who was given in the beginning, and by whose Divine nature is the promise given that gives me hope in the Holy One who always was and is never ending.

It's rare when we meet one so heavenly minded they make no earthly sense. "Picture yourself in a boat on a river with tangerine trees and marmalade skies. Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly, a girl with kaleidoscope eyes. Cellophane flowers of yellow and green, towering over your head. Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes And she's gone. Lucy in the sky with diamonds"

 

[029b10]

It's rare when we meet one so heavenly minded they make no earthly sense. "Picture yourself in a boat on a river with tangerine trees and marmalade skies. Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly, a girl with kaleidoscope eyes. Cellophane flowers of yellow and green, towering over your head. Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes And she's gone. Lucy in the sky with diamonds"

To say that Genesis 1:1 is talking about the atmosphere is ridiculous, all one has to do is read Gen 1:6-8, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[Windwalker]

To say that Genesis 1:1 is talking about the atmosphere is ridiculous, all one has to do is read Gen 1:6-8, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

No, not everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some people speak from complete ignorance and are not qualified to have an opinion. Sorry to break the news: No, you're not entitled to your opinion

As far as reading Genesis 1:1, it's saying "In the beginning God created everything", and then what follows is a "And here's how he did it", explanation. So, in verse 8 when it explicitly says, "God called the expanse heaven", that's the same heaven it mentioned in the setup in verse 1. Ridiculous, my ***.

Actually every single use of heaven in that whole first chapter is referencing the sky. It makes no sense whatsoever for verse one to mention the home of Jesus or something, and then use the same word consistently to describe something else. That's ridiculous. And, no you're not entitled to your opinion on this if it can't be argued for logically.

 

[jidex]

I know there is a similar thread, but I wanted to specify the question more.

If Jesus's body rose from the dead, where exactly does his body physically exist presently?

I've heard he is physically in heaven, but how is that so? It would imply heaven is physical, for only physical things exist in an area and thus take up space and thus have mass.

Where is his body currently?

He is Ominipresent in His resurrected body

 

[Katzpur]

He is Ominipresent in His resurrected body

What does that mean? Omnipresent in what regard? Has His resurrected body no form?

 

[Deadtroopers]

Your herding cats here. You are trying to bring several different pre-scientific mythologies from across three millennia into agreement with one another and reality. It can't be done and why would you want to do it? Those stories are obsolete; they no longer make sense as their context no longer exists.

'The kingdom of god is within you' Jesus is made to say; Paul hallucinates Christ and writes that the other apostles do likewise. Christ is killed by ignorant demons in a lower, physical, heaven in his hallucinated mythology. He descends from the(?) highest heaven and is incarnated in this lower realm. Paul's myth does not take place on this earth.

Now this is more or less coherent according to the philosophy and science of the time but was quickly transmogrified into successive gospels all putting forward what their writers thought were more satisfactory versions down to the present. The majority of Christians have these half a dozen different but related tales sitting uncomfortably next to one another in the NT. The Latter Day Saints have another version in addition.

This one was borderline wibble when Joe Smith made it up. All are unfortunately laughable nonsense today.

Except perhaps the version we can recover from Paul. He acquired his myth and teaching, recall, from hallucinatory visions: his Christ and his Kingdom really were within. If I had a mind to, that is where I would go and look. Reality doesn't leave anywhere else. We have it the wrong way round; the spiritual depends on and emerges from the physical; Man makes god and god must cohere to reality.

That has always been the case. The Bible's gods are not outside reality. Reality was conceived as a stack of realms with the highest god or gods sat atop the seventh one with a hierarchy of lesser and lesser deities and so on down. That made sense at the time. No one should get upset that it doesn't now or try to interpret their science or their texts in terms of facts they did not know. The past is a defunct country; you can't go there any more.

 

[nazz]

I know there is a similar thread, but I wanted to specify the question more.

If Jesus's body rose from the dead, where exactly does his body physically exist presently?

I've heard he is physically in heaven, but how is that so? It would imply heaven is physical, for only physical things exist in an area and thus take up space and thus have mass.

Where is his body currently?

One thing I think is for certain. It's not in any tomb somewhere or else there would be a shrine there.

 

[BilliardsBall]

There are three "heavens" in the scriptures, the troposphere, (where birds fly and doves cry), the skies we enjoy by day and by night, and God's place. One wonder of Jesus is that He will never return to being anything but the God-man in a human body. He is in Heaven until He returns for those who have trusted Him for salvation.

 

[Nada]

I know there is a similar thread, but I wanted to specify the question more.

If Jesus's body rose from the dead, where exactly does his body physically exist presently?

I've heard he is physically in heaven, but how is that so? It would imply heaven is physical, for only physical things exist in an area and thus take up space and thus have mass.

Where is his body currently?

Jesus' body was consumed by God as a sacrifice.The same way the sacrificial lamb in Exodus was to be consumed by fire before morning.That is why there was no body found in the tomb.
The account in Exodus foreshadowed the coming of Jesus Christ and parallels.Jesus is no longer a physical being.He is a spirit form who dwells in heaven awaiting the appointed time of the end to carry out the will of God.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Do you have scriptures explaining that Jesus's body was consumed as a sacrifice? I can think of verses like "Not a bone of him was broken" that are contrary to your assertion. Jesus will always be in a literal body and other scriptures explain we will resurrect with literal bodies just as He did.