Where is Logic in Religion?

[The Neo Nerd]

How is it "logical" to believe in a "higher power"?

TC

I believe the belief in some form of higher power is hard wired into the human psyche, why do you think almost every single race and culture in history has come up with some kind of god.

From this standpoint it is logical that any human will believe in some form of higher power.

I'm not sure whether atheists have overcome this or have their sights set on some other form of higher power/order.

-Q

 

[Gabethewiking]

I believe the belief in some form of higher power is hard wired into the human psyche, why do you think almost every single race and culture in history has come up with some kind of god.

From this standpoint it is logical that any human will believe in some form of higher power.

I'm not sure whether atheists have overcome this or have their sights set on some other form of higher power/order.

-Q

Valid question then, Why have I never believed in any gods? Am I a mutant? Born without the right genes? Please supply comment.

 

[footprints]

Valid question then, Why have I never believed in any gods? Am I a mutant? Born without the right genes? Please supply comment.

People are born in the state of brain exuberance. This process starts in the womb and remains so until the child is around 5 or 6 years of age. This is the first stage of the brains hardwiring.

Around puberty, the brain once again breaks out in an exuberant state. This process eventually dies out in the early 20's. This is the next stage of the brains hardwiring process.

Hardwiring of the brain (dendrite to synapse connection) is made by relationship of association to knowledge stored in the brain. A brain cannot make a relationship of association to knowledge, unless the knowledge is in their brain in order to relate and associate to in the first place. Once a person has gained a relationship to an association the brain is hardwired in. Only a greater knowledge (accepted by the brain in question) will rewire the brains association patterns.

Reference Dr. Jay Giedd.

 

[Gabethewiking]

People are born in the state of brain exuberance. This process starts in the womb and remains so until the child is around 5 or 6 years of age. This is the first stage of the brains hardwiring.

Around puberty, the brain once again breaks out in an exuberant state. This process eventually dies out in the early 20's. This is the next stage of the brains hardwiring process.

Hardwiring of the brain (dendrite to synapse connection) is made by relationship of association to knowledge stored in the brain. A brain cannot make a relationship of association to knowledge, unless the knowledge is in their brain in order to relate and associate to in the first place. Once a person has gained a relationship to an association the brain is hardwired in. Only a greater knowledge (accepted by the brain in question) will rewire the brains association patterns.

Reference Dr. Jay Giedd.

So let me ask you, once again: Why have I never believed in any gods?

 

[footprints]

So let me ask you, once again: Why have I never believed in any gods?

Simple because your dendrite to synapse connection were made the other way. This would be due to the environment directly around you. Either accepting of, or rejecting the beliefs patterns around you. The non-believer and the believers brains were all created in the same way.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Valid question then, Why have I never believed in any gods? Am I a mutant? Born without the right genes? Please supply comment.

No idea.

Let me ponder on it

-Q

 

[Gabethewiking]

Simple because your dendrite to synapse connection were made the other way. This would be due to the environment directly around you. Either accepting of, or rejecting the beliefs patterns around you. The non-believer and the believers brains were all created in the same way.

So you are saying I am a natural atheist then, compared to, say, a unnatural one?

I wanted to ask about how this relates to children being atheist as default as someone needs to put the belief in god in them in the first place (everyone is born atheist), but never mind that ,this is more interesting.

 

[harmony999]

religion has done nothing but caused wars and hate and killing and kept people from asking questions and searching for facts and have kept them under a spell of ignorance. religions have no facts just faith, no one cane endure on blind faith and you cannot prove something exist with faith and belief only. if you ask a person who there mother is, a picture comes into there mind and they can tell you and show you her and the person can even meet her and so on, if you ask a religious person to show you here god, or allah or yahweh or dios or theos or krishna or christ, they cant show you,the only picture that will proboly come in there head is what they have had instilled in there minds form when they were young. in there own bible it tells them about facts but they ignore that and go to faith and belief, a person can believe and be 100% wrong. you ask a religious person, where is heaven?, they may say up there or where god is, or further than the furthest star, and it says cleary in there bible that heaven is the orion star constillation, which is the seven heavens, but they ingore that and turn to faith and belief, what fools these mortals be.

 

[MSizer]

Theology is tennis without a net my friend. That's just how it goes. They'd be philosophers if they respected the rules of logic.

 

[harmony999]

the earth was not created 6000 years ago, there are rocks on the earth that date back ways further than that, also there are bones in africa called the bones of lucy(even though that is not an african name) that date back to 3.5 million years old, also bones of ardi that date back to 4.4 million years old, also it takes gold millions of years for the earth the make. so this means that religious books are wrong, adam was not created six thousand years ago, and the earth was not created six thousand years ago. its all a lie. religions are set up to keep people trapped in a spell of ignorance and faith and belief with no facts.

 

[MSizer]

Simple because your dendrite to synapse connection were made the other way...

You may have fooled some people here, but some of us have a bit of background in neurology. If your dendrites are connected to synapses, you'd not only be incapable of Belief or non-Belief, you'd be pretty much incaple of anything.

Dendrites connect to axons, via neurochemicals bridging the synaptic gaps triggered by electrical potential. You might want to look over Time magazine's recent brain biology 101 issue.

Furthermore, even though your biology is off, your point is still valid. So I can't help but ask how you don't question your own Belief?

 

[darkendless]

the earth was not created 6000 years ago, there are rocks on the earth that date back ways further than that, also there are bones in africa called the bones of lucy(even though that is not an african name) that date back to 3.5 million years old, also bones of ardi that date back to 4.4 million years old, also it takes gold millions of years for the earth the make. so this means that religious books are wrong, adam was not created six thousand years ago, and the earth was not created six thousand years ago. its all a lie. religions are set up to keep people trapped in a spell of ignorance and faith and belief with no facts.

A lot of religious people would agree with.

It takes a special amount of idiocy to believe in young earth creationism.

 

[footprints]

You may have fooled some people here, but some of us have a bit of background in neurology. If your dendrites are connected to synapses, you'd not only be incapable of Belief or non-Belief, you'd be pretty much incaple of anything.

Dendrites connect to axons, via neurochemicals bridging the synaptic gaps triggered by electrical potential. You might want to look over Time magazine's recent brain biology 101 issue.

Furthermore, even though your biology is off, your point is still valid. So I can't help but ask how you don't question your own Belief?

LOL MSizer, you have just expanded on what I put simply. Only somebody completely ignorant would even relate to dendrites and synapes being directly connected like you did.

My biology wasn't off, just your perception and the association this connected to.

My belief was questioned a long time ago. It is why I am now an agnostic and not an atheist. I am what most atheists believe they are, I don't have a belief in anything. I have thousands of perceptions which I can point to, not one solitary perception as most people.

 

[footprints]

So you are saying I am a natural atheist then, compared to, say, a unnatural one?

I wanted to ask about how this relates to children being atheist as default as someone needs to put the belief in god in them in the first place (everyone is born atheist), but never mind that ,this is more interesting.

No Gabe you are a very natural Atheist, couldn't mistake those belief patterns. There is no unnatural atheist, no unnatural theist, no unnatual agnostic et al.

Nothing is default (mentally speaking) pertaining to children, people are a product of their environment (accept or reject). Infant children are neutral, born without any belief patterns not atheist, nor theist. They do not even know their own mum or dad.

 

[Gabethewiking]

No Gabe you are a very natural Atheist, couldn't mistake those belief patterns. There is no unnatural atheist, no unnatural theist, no unnatual agnostic et al.

Nothing is default (mentally speaking) pertaining to children, people are a product of their environment (accept or reject). Infant children are neutral, born without any belief patterns not atheist, nor theist. They do not even know their own mum or dad.

But I do not have any belief patterns, I accept reality, I "believe" nothing, I accept the facts that are provided, please explain.

 

[Trusue]

Religion is the organized worship of god. There are many gods, therefore many religions.

There is only one true God, the designer of life, the creator of all life, the father of human life, in that man was created in God's image, not that we look like God, but that we have the same qualities of God. Each human has the ability to produce love, justice, wisdom and the power of goodness.

The one true God is not known to mankind in general, because the god of this world, Satan the Devil conceals or veils the minds of unbelievers to these truths. False religion seems to satisy men, and the false doctrines of Christian religion gives people what they want to hear. Too bad people don't read their Bible, that is the word of God, given to mankind to know the truth about God and life.

 

[MSizer]

Religion is the organized worship of god. There are many gods, therefore many religions.

There is only one true God, the designer of life, the creator of all life, the father of human life, in that man was created in God's image, not that we look like God, but that we have the same qualities of God. Each human has the ability to produce love, justice, wisdom and the power of goodness.

The one true God is not known to mankind in general, because the god of this world, Satan the Devil conceals or veils the minds of unbelievers to these truths. False religion seems to satisy men, and the false doctrines of Christian religion gives people what they want to hear. Too bad people don't read their Bible, that is the word of God, given to mankind to know the truth about God and life.

You expect people to treat a book of mixed mythology as a source of truth? That's not rational. If you were born in India, you'd be saying the same thing about the bagavad' gita. If you were born in saudi arabia, you'd be saying it about the qur'an.

 

[Gabethewiking]

You have no faith in God or his word, so you cannot be expected to understand the power of God's word. You expect people to accept your reasoning according to your belief, then you should be willing to allow other people to do the same thing. Unless you are a hypocrite.

Indeed, but what religion are you following? Which "gods word" are you talking about? Islam? Christianity? Hinduism?

So how do you make a distinction between "false gods" and "true gods" as it seem to depend on where you are born what gods you believe in? Could you explain?

 

[footprints]

But I do not have any belief patterns, I accept reality, I "believe" nothing, I accept the facts that are provided, please explain.

That Gabe is part of your belief pattern. Your instant denial proves it, albeit not to you for you do not accept this fact of reality.

 

[Gabethewiking]

That Gabe is part of your belief pattern. Your instant denial proves it, albeit not to you for you do not accept this fact of reality.

I see, do you have any evidence and basis for this claim other then you "say so"?

And my "instant denial" is because your claim is false, just as if you would say "Evolution is false" I would point out you are wrong.