Where is Logic in Religion?

[footprints]

I can figure it out just fine: you just contradicted yourself. Marriage is a basic civil right.

TC

LOL only in your brain have I contradicted myself. That just shows your belief of thinking and the faith you have in it. Your brain, not mine.

I was saving this for Gabe, but any subjective person will do.

In my opinion, marriage in general is a crock, nothing at all to do with rights which are covered in other laws of any decent society, and should be totally abolished as meaningless. If two people don't know they love each other and need a bit of paper, then it doesn't say much for their love in the beginning. Certainly I can understand two people who love each other wanting to shout this to the world, I can further understand how they would want to rejoice this love with friends and family. Keep the ceremony even if it is on the beach, just get rid of the paper it just isn't needed.

 

[Thought Criminal]

LOL only in your brain have I contradicted myself. That just shows your belief of thinking and the faith you have in it. Your brain, not mine.

I was saving this for Gabe, but any subjective person will do.

In my opinion, marriage in general is a crock, nothing at all to do with rights which are not covered in other laws of any decent society, and should be totally abolished as meaningless. If two people don't know they love each other and need a bit of paper, then it doesn't say much for their love in the beginning. Certainly I can understand two people who love each other wanting to shout this to the world, I can further understand how they would want to rejoice this love with friends and family. Keep the ceremony even if it is on the beach, just get rid of the paper it just isn't needed.

Your low opinion of marriage is irrelevant to the issue of equality. The institution of marriage grants specific rights, which are denied to gays.

TC

 

[Buttons*]

Your low opinion of marriage is irrelevant to the issue of equality. The institution of marriage grants specific rights, which are denied to gays.

TC

Well, now that we have 1,500 threads dedicated to the subject of GLBT rights... can we stay on topic?

 

[Thought Criminal]

Well, now that we have 1,500 threads dedicated to the subject of GLBT rights... can we stay on topic?

Looking back, it was suggested that the logic in religion is that it promotes morality. This claim was subsequently disputed, with GLBT rights put forth as a pretty clear example of how religion supports conservative bigotry.

So, in the spirit of staying on topic, I will simply point out that religion has no legitimate claim to morality.

TC

 

[footprints]

Your low opinion of marriage is irrelevant to the issue of equality. The institution of marriage grants specific rights, which are denied to gays.

TC

That is percpetion based.

Your inability to reason beyond your faith of belief, is a low opinion and use of intelligence.

A defacto partner in Australia has just as many rights as any married spouse. I do understand America is not that far liberated yet in some states.

Australia isn't that much different to other cultures based on the same heritage. 6 out of every 10 marriages in Australia will end in divorce. The same ratio applies to those in defacto relationships who break up. Whereas once marriage held a value and a meaning, a vow never to be broken, we as humans have certainly made it meaningless. A person can get a divorce now at the drop of a hat.

 

[Thought Criminal]

That is percpetion based.

Your inability to reason beyond your faith of belief, is a low opinion and use of intelligence.

A defacto partner in Australia has just as many rights as any married spouse. I do understand America is not that far liberated yet in some states.

Australia isn't that much different to other cultures based on the same heritage. 6 out of every 10 marriages in Australia will end in divorce. The same ratio applies to those in defacto relationships who break up. Whereas once marriage held a value and a meaning, a vow never to be broken, we as humans have certainly made it meaningless. A person can get a divorce now at the drop of a hat.

Some areas allow common-law marriage, but many don't. Worse, in the USA, the federal government and many of the states have laws explicitly denying equal rights to gays.

So, once again, you entirely miss the point in your tirade against marriage. I'd also prefer if you toned down the insults. Got it?

TC

 

[footprints]

Some areas have allow common-law marriage, but many don't. Worse, in the USA, the federal government and many of the states have laws explicitly denying equal rights to gays.

So, once again, you entirely miss the point in your tirade against marriage. I'd also prefer if you toned down the insults. Got it?

TC

It wasn't me who missed the point, it was you. Completely wrong in your association pertaining to the question of marriage as to how I related it. Even gave a clue that it wasn't to Gabe's normal association pattern.

You keep on trying to insult me, and I will keep on showing you your narrow minded views. Got it?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

It is logical for humans beings to believe in a higher power so as to believe that there is something bigger than us looking after us and that there is some form of afterlife so that we can live comfortably in the "knowledge" that we will live forever in one way or another.

It is illogical to believe your version on this higher power against all knowledge and fact.

-Q

 

[Thought Criminal]

It is logical for humans beings to believe in a higher power so as to believe that there is something bigger than us looking after us and that there is some form of afterlife so that we can live comfortably in the "knowledge" that we will live forever in one way or another.

It is illogical to believe your version on this higher power against all knowledge and fact.

-Q

How is it "logical" to believe in a "higher power"?

TC

 

[Thought Criminal]

It wasn't me who missed the point, it was you. Completely wrong in your association pertaining to the question of marriage as to how I related it. Even gave a clue that it wasn't to Gabe's normal association pattern.

You keep on trying to insult me, and I will keep on showing you your narrow minded views. Got it?

Here's a nickle and a map to a clue store. Figure it out for yourself.

TC

 

[footprints]

Here's a nickle and a map to a clue store. Figure it out for yourself.

TC

LOL I already did before I posted, albeit I thought it would be Gabes' subjective views which came back. Instead it was yours. :yes: Well done.

 

[Thought Criminal]

LOL I already did before I posted, albeit I thought it would be Gabes' subjective views which came back. Instead it was yours. :yes: Well done.

Here, take a dime.

TC

 

[footprints]

Here, take a dime.

TC

LOL

 

[Thief]

How is it "logical" to believe in a "higher power"?

TC

In this life there are many...who are bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced.

If you are willing to say there is life after death....then in spirit....there are many who are bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced.

Moving up the level of ability, there can be only One....Almighty.
His will cannot be set aside by any one.
Hence the term...Almighty.

 

[Gabethewiking]

So... We can end this with that there is no logic in Religion and people believe it because of various issues such as Fear, Hope, Ignorance and Superstition/Racism/Bigotry and combinations thereof... Correct?

IT is amazing what factual figures can teach you.

 

[Thought Criminal]

In this life there are many...who are bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced.

There's roughly a bell curve. Some people are taller than me, but almost none are twice as tall. In other words, it's self-limiting.

If you are willing to say there is life after death....then in spirit....there are many who are bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced.

Other than childish wish-fulfillment, I can't imagine why I would suggest that death isn't real.

Moving up the level of ability, there can be only One....Almighty.
His will cannot be set aside by any one.
Hence the term...Almighty.

This makes zero sense.

TC

 

[Thought Criminal]

So... We can end this with that there is no logic in Religion and people believe it because of various issues such as Fear, Hope, Ignorance and Superstition/Racism/Bigotry and combinations thereof... Correct?

IT is amazing what factual figures can teach you.

Uhm, yeah, pretty much. What were you expecting?

TC

 

[footprints]

So... We can end this with that there is no logic in Religion and people believe it because of various issues such as Fear, Hope, Ignorance and Superstition/Racism/Bigotry and combinations thereof... Correct?

IT is amazing what factual figures can teach you.

Hmmm, I could see how a narrow minded bigot would see this as concluded in the manner in which is described above and believe from their own faith of belief it was correct. I cannot see how anybody else though would come up with that conclusion.

Yes, as in the post above, it is amazing what factual figures can teach you, albeit perhaps not what they think they are teaching.

 

[Thief]

There's roughly a bell curve. Some people are taller than me, but almost none are twice as tall. In other words, it's self-limiting.



Other than childish wish-fulfillment, I can't imagine why I would suggest that death isn't real.



This makes zero sense.

TC

You are shallow.
Are you really unable to visualize someone next to you, having greater ability?
Expand that perception over the population of the Earth and be thou humble.
Likewise the next life.

As you are not able all things by your own hand...you will ask someone else.
That someone else might not have the ability or the authority to allow your request.
As you proceed up the line of ability....you will eventually find that One....
Whose willfulness is beyond denial....the Almighty.

 

[ManTimeForgot]

You are shallow.
Are you really unable to visualize someone next to you, having greater ability?
Expand that perception over the population of the Earth and be thou humble.
Likewise the next life.

As you are not able all things by your own hand...you will ask someone else.
That someone else might not have the ability or the authority to allow your request.
As you proceed up the line of ability....you will eventually find that One....
Whose willfulness is beyond denial....the Almighty.

Um... The guy was banned. No need to beat a dead horse methinks?


This debate was hijacked by TC about 4 pages back, and I don't see resurrection of this thread in the foreseeable future.

MTF