metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, your version of Christianity opposes having a belief in following the Ten Commandments?
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WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?
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So, your version of Christianity opposes having a belief in following the Ten Commandments?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, you think the Tanakh was just written by "the teachings and traditions of men"?
Of course it's impossible to prove because a person must believe by faith.
Hebrews 11:6, "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him."
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Exactly, and different people have different faiths.
Of course. The ten commandments are part of the Old Covenant, which was filled in its entirety in Jesus. Since I am in Christ, I am no longer under the law, including the ten commandments.
Romans 6:4, "For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace."
Romans 7:4-6, " So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
a) "faith" is singular here: "And without faith it is impossible to please God".
b) faith: the assent of the mind to the truth. It is not a synonym for a particular belief system.
I believe not 'harvesting' applies today for Orthodox Jews, as it does not allow for opening a box of cold cereal and the like.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And the Ten Commandments are part of that Law, so if one observes them are they also "legalistic"? If one observes Jesus' Two Commandments, are they also "legalistic"? If one's Christian denomination has teachings per the NT, are they also "legalistic"?
To accuse Jews as being "legalistic" because they observe the Law is an unwarranted insult as all religions and all Christian denominations have teachings of what's right and what's wrong.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
My reference to "different faiths" is the recognition that all religions and all denominations have "belief systems". IOW, Christianity is not unique in that context.
The Old Covenant has been superseded by the New Covenant. The Ten Commandments are part of the Old Covenant, a.k.a "The Law".
Again...
Romans 6:4, "For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace."
Romans 7:4-6, " So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
Christians are not under the external law, a set of rules that deal with correct behavior. Christians are directed by the internal Holy Spirit.
P.S. Where did I accuse Jews of being legalistic?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, if I internally feel that shooting up a mall is what the Holy Spirit wants me to do, that's all fine & dandy? How many times have we seen this before.
The reality is that all religion/denominations and personal convictions have teachings and rule to follow, otherwise everything and anything would be acceptable. Jewish Law was and is there for a reason, and the 613 Commandments according to the Tanach were ordained by God. However, these teachings are only binding if one is Jewish.
Have a Most Blessed Easter as I'm leaving shortly.
Your example clearly shows that you have no understanding of the Holy Spirit. It is absurd to think that the Holy Spirit would inspire such behavior, as the Holy Spirit never promotes sin.
So if you're not Jewish, it's okay to murder? What about owning sculptures? That violates the second commandment: “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth". (See, anyone can create absurd examples!)
If you need written rules to govern your behavior, then you are really missing out. BTW, how many animals have you sacrificed recently for your sins?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
pearl, pearl, pearl. This is not a matter of Orthodox Judaism (and *I* am not Orthodox). It has to do with the simple definition of a word in the English language. How does one harvest grain? By picking it. This is not rocket science.
I'm not sure why you are bringing up the cereal box thing. It has no relevance to this conversation. If you have a question about Orthodox halakha, there are several Orthodox Jews in the forum you can go to. I'm just not one of them.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
A weak definition? Oh puhleeze. It's a BASIC definition. How do you harvest grain? By picking it.
McBell
Unbound
That you did exactly what you said (harvest "AN" apple),
Now had you said you were going to harvest the apples or harvest apples...
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I supplied the documentation. You can scream as loud as you want that you never said it, but there it was in black and white for everyone to see. I'm moving on now.
Harvest implies mass ingathering. You are twisting the common of the phrase to prove your point. For example, Jesus said, "Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field.” (Matthew 9:38) Do you seriously think that He was referring to picking only a few grains?
And again: "Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’” (Matthew 13:30). Why didn't He say, "Just pick a few grains?
And again, "“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.” (Matthew 21:41) Do you think his share of the crop is a handful of grapes?
And again, "As soon as the grain is ripe, he puts the sickle to it, because the harvest has come.” (Mark 4:29) It clearly doesn't mean just a few grains, as the disciples picked?
You refuse to see the true meaning of the word "harvest".
Right! A single apple! See the above message.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Let's go with this idea. How many ears must you pick for it to be Harvest? 1? 100? 1000? If you only pick 1/4 of your field, could you claim that it was not harvesting? What if that 1/4 of a field is larger than the totality of someone's back yard garden? You see, your claim that "mass ingathering" is implied in "harvest" simply raises to many unanswerable questions.
So we are back to that basics. How do you harvest grain? By picking it. You can harvest an entire field, or you can harvest one ear.