3rdAngel
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I do not need to. Gods Word (the holy scriptures) speak for themself. You can choose to believe or not. Its up to you.
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WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?
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McBell
Unbound
Yet here you are...
If this were true, why are you here speaking for God?
I mean, if Gods words were really enough..
I believe you believe.
Is that not good enough?
Of course, if it really is between me and God, there is no need for you to butt in, right?
3rdAngel
Well-Known Member
Yes I love sharing scripture which is Gods word not mine but I know many will choose not to hear and see them.
Gods Words speak for themselves and he that believes them is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God, and it is true when it says this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved, but he that does what is true comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Many are called but only a few will be Gods chosen according to the scriptures.
When people sit in darkness Gods Word is the light that shines on the way that we are to walk. If your lamp goes out how can you find your way when the road is dark and narrow and you have fallen into a ditch sitting in darkness losing your way? If someone walks by with a lamp showing the way. Why should he not help those who sit in darkness and help them find their way out of darkness and back into the way?
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Ebionite
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No, it's an aspect of faith in the traditions of men, for example the men who selected the canon. Also like faith in Pharisee doctrine.
Christians wanted to distance themselves from the Jews, who in their eyes rejected Jesus.
Constantine, at the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325, was reported by the historian Eusebius as saying, “It appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast [Passover] we should follow the practice of the Jews … . Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd.”
Thus, since Christians wanted nothing to do with Jews, they wanted to have a different day for rest and worship: Sunday.
Who Changed the Day of Worship From Saturday to Sunday? Why?
No, I don't. I am a Christian, so the Old Covenant doesn't apply to me.
If that's what you believe... I believe that the Bible is God's word, so what it says is not "the traditions of men".
Did Abraham ever observe the Sabbath?
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Genesis 26:5
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
What I believe isn't important. What matters is what is implied by the facts.
In my Bible, Genesis comes before Exodus.
Your opinion is not synonymous with facts. If you state facts that is a different story.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
But if you live by the Spirit (God) instead of the letter (man) of the law you'd understand, IMO, that the 4th commandment, as all others, are for the benefit of man.
God doesn't need these laws. He set them down to make life easier for man.
In that respect, the 4th commandment can be honored on any day of the week, because the Spirit of the law is to take a full and complete day of REST and of contemplation. It is a gift to set aside toils and responsibility and renew the inner being.
Jesus reminded us, that doesn't mean to ignore all. So we use our God-given common sense and keep EMS, FD, PD, etc. available 24/7, and "should" assure these essential persons, and everyone else, have one day, any day, where they "answer to no man." This should also apply to rabbi's and clergy. They need that day for "true-self" also.
That, IMO, is "keeping the Sabbath" -- keeping the soul at peace...renewing the spirit.
God doesn't need these laws. He set them down to make life easier for man.
In that respect, the 4th commandment can be honored on any day of the week, because the Spirit of the law is to take a full and complete day of REST and of contemplation. It is a gift to set aside toils and responsibility and renew the inner being.
Jesus reminded us, that doesn't mean to ignore all. So we use our God-given common sense and keep EMS, FD, PD, etc. available 24/7, and "should" assure these essential persons, and everyone else, have one day, any day, where they "answer to no man." This should also apply to rabbi's and clergy. They need that day for "true-self" also.
That, IMO, is "keeping the Sabbath" -- keeping the soul at peace...renewing the spirit.
GREAT POST! THANKS!
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
So what's your point?
I wrote in #1,530 that Abraham wasn't living under the Old Covenant, which was given by God after the exodus from Egypt, long after Abraham lived.
You cited this part of Genesis: "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Genesis 26:5" This refers to Abrahams's behavior before the written law was given by God, which didn't happen until the exodus from Egypt.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I make absolutely no claim that my interpretation is God speaking. I make a point, and then (rather than appeal to my own authority) back it up with evidence, such a rational argument, or a study, or example of what I'm saying. No, sir, I am nothing at all like you.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
No, that's nonsense. How in the world can one "know God" when we cannot even have objective means to even know if there's a god? or is it gods? How could one know either way?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And how in the world could you possibly know that??? What judgmental bigotry you spewed here as you are making a sham out of your version of Christianity.