WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[3rdAngel]

I think I understand it a lot better than many people who claim to follow the teachings of the bible. Case in point, this whole thread is rooted in a misunderstanding of one of Christianity's most basic founding themes. The way those kinds of misunderstandings metastasise into so many diverse sects and sub-sects shows pretty clearly how little Christians can claim to know their own teachings.

You did not make a case in point did you? Where is the scriptures that says Gods Sabbath commandment is abolished and it is no longer sin to break it? If you have no scripture to support your unbelief and sins why pretend you have?

 

[McBell]

This is something you cannot understand as an unbeliever

If this is actually true, what is your purpose in repeating it ad nauseum?

If no matter what you do or say, the person you are talking can not ever understand what you are saying, why would you spend so much time repeating yourself?

What is your end goal?

 

[Tomef]

You did not make a case in point did you? Where is the scriptures that says Gods Sabbath commandment is abolished and it is no longer sin to break it? If you have no scripture to support your unbelief and sins why pretend you have?

Lol

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
NIVTherefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
NASBTherefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day—
CSBTherefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.
NLTSo don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.
KJVLet no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

The fact that you find the need to try and explain away what this NT letter plainly states makes you a laughing stock. Your bizarre mentality is revealed in your counting the scriptures you quote, while remaining unable to see that they don’t prove anything. The strangeness of a mind raised on dogma is unlimited.

 

[metis]

The Pharisees claimed to understand what Jesus was saying to them, but clearly they didn't.

Jesus was of the Pharisee tradition, so what we are reading playing out is basically a "family" dispute, and they can be nasty at times.

 

[Kathryn]

You cannot have faith without Gods Word see Romans 10:17

They're still two different things. And that verse doesn't say anything about ONLY scripture. The bible is very important but it's not all there is to faith.

 

[Kathryn]

And by the way, to me, time is merely man's construct. I do rest one day in seven because apparently resting one day in seven was important to God, but I don't get too hung up on all that.

 

[YoursTrue]

Sure you can read about it here in Genesis 2:1-3. Jesus says He made the Sabbath for all mankind in Mark 2:27 and He is the Lord of it in Mark 2:28 and command us to keep the Sabbath as a holy day of rest in Gods 10 commandments in Exodus 20:8-11.

OK, let's take that as you say, for illustrative purposes. So God rested on the 7th day. And, I suppose you believe each day of creation was 24 hours. Do I have this correct about your beliefs regarding what the Bible says, so far?

 

[YoursTrue]

Here let me add the full context of my quote back in that you are part quoting me from so we can have an honest discussion.

Your response....

No one said there was. So why pretend I said that Genesis 2:1-3 says that God is commanding us to keep the Sabbath? Can you post me or highlight the section in my post above of me saying Genesis 2:1-3 is a commandment to keep the Sabbath? If I never made that statement why pretend that is what I said and why leave out the last two lines of my post above that demonstrated my point about Jesus saying that God made the Sabbath for all mankind?

I did not quote Mark I quoted Jesus in Mark 2:27 saying the Sabbath was made for man.... It seems you are the one that does not know how to do this.

Well you are not being honest. You have already been shown scripture of God saying Abraham knew and obeyed His laws before Mt Sinai. Are you calling God a liar when he says. Genesis 26:5 5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. I mean if course you can believe what you want. I believe what the scriptures teach.

Not really I already have shown you that Abraham understood the old covenant laws of atonement for sin in animal sacrifices and sin offerings. As did Noah and Gods people before them. If they understood what sin was and how to receive atonement or forgiveness of sins it is not unreasonable to believe that they know what Gods laws were in able to understand what sin was. You are the one assuming they had no idea yet I have provided you with scripture proving otherwise and that you are assuming they did not know. If they did not know what sin was why would God destroy people that did not know what sin was? Is that the God you follow? Think your argument through before posting.

Believing and obeying Gods Word is indeed obligatory for anything who claims the name of God. Doing anything less is sin in Gods eyes.

I wonder -- based on the conversation -- seems you believe in a higher power that cannot be seen with the human eye. Would you say there is one God and one way to worship Him, or are there many gods and acceptable ways to worship by His (or their) standards?

 

[YoursTrue]

Sure you can read about it here in Genesis 2:1-3. Jesus says He made the Sabbath for all mankind in Mark 2:27 and He is the Lord of it in Mark 2:28 and command us to keep the Sabbath as a holy day of rest in Gods 10 commandments in Exodus 20:8-11.

OK, so are you saying (as well as some others) that God rests every 7th day, and goes back to work the next day? And rested again after another 6 days passes? or maybe 7, depending how one counts the passage of time.

 

[3rdAngel]

They're still two different things. And that verse doesn't say anything about ONLY scripture. The bible is very important but it's not all there is to faith.

How can you have faith without hearing Gods Word and without knowing what Gods Word say? You cannot and no, while being different they are connected faith comes by believing and obeying what Gods Word says. Romans 10:17 Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

 

[3rdAngel]

And by the way, to me, time is merely man's construct. I do rest one day in seven because apparently resting one day in seven was important to God, but I don't get too hung up on all that.

Actually time is Gods construct. See Genesis 1:1-26 to Genesis 2:1-3

 

[3rdAngel]

OK, let's take that as you say, for illustrative purposes. So God rested on the 7th day. And, I suppose you believe each day of creation was 24 hours. Do I have this correct about your beliefs regarding what the Bible says, so far?

Yes I believe the bible and have faith in Gods Word. Don't you?

 

[3rdAngel]

I wonder -- based on the conversation -- seems you believe in a higher power that cannot be seen with the human eye. Would you say there is one God and one way to worship Him, or are there many gods and acceptable ways to worship by His (or their) standards?

Anyone can find God if they genuinely want to (Jeremiah 29:13), but finding God is conditional on believing and obeying what Gods Word says. We cannot find God or know Him if we continue in our sins and unbelief. This is what separates us from him according to the scriptures (Isaiah 59:2). God is one and believing and obeying His Word is how we worship him (see John 3:36; Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 15:3-9; Isaiah 59:2; Proverbs 28:13).

 

[3rdAngel]

OK, so are you saying (as well as some others) that God rests every 7th day, and goes back to work the next day? And rested again after another 6 days passes? or maybe 7, depending how one counts the passage of time.

No where did I post that?

 

[3rdAngel]

If this is actually true, what is your purpose in repeating it ad nauseum?

If no matter what you do or say, the person you are talking can not ever understand what you are saying, why would you spend so much time repeating yourself?

What is your end goal?

Correcting misinformation on a public forum

 

[YoursTrue]

No where did I post that?

Ok. Just trying to understand.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes I believe the bible and have faith in Gods Word. Don't you?

I think here is where you agreed God rests every 7th day. Post 1752.

 

[Kathryn]

How can you have faith without hearing Gods Word without knowing Gods Word? You cannot and not they are not different things.
Romans 10:17 Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

I never said don't familiarize yourself with God's word. God himself differentiates between the two. Perhaps you should as well.

 

[Kathryn]

Actually time is Gods construct. See Genesis 1:1-26 to Genesis 2:1

I get what you're saying but I am for the most part talking about the various calendars and all that, that man has created over the centuries. Days, months, and even years have been moved around. Do you ever take that into consideration?

For instance, South Koreans have two birthdays, and no, it has nothing to do with conception. They simply have a different calendar (the lunar calendar), and so they celebrate on both days. They can be two years old in Korea but only a day old elsewhere.

 

[3rdAngel]

Lol

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
NIVTherefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
NASBTherefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day—
CSBTherefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.
NLTSo don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.
KJVLet no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

The fact that you find the need to try and explain away what this NT letter plainly states makes you a laughing stock. Your bizarre mentality is revealed in your counting the scriptures you quote, while remaining unable to see that they don’t prove anything. The strangeness of a mind raised on dogma is unlimited.

Repeating the same verse over and over that you have cherry picked out of context to build a false teaching around, does not magically make your interpretation of it come true as proven in the context you left out to the rest of the chapter and the bible. If you disagree please address the scripture context that are in disagreement with your interpretation of Colossians 2:16 which is talking about the meat and drink offerings and laws of atonement in the new moons, and sabbaths (plural) in the annual feast days that were shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus.

I guess you were no left with any wiggle room were you.

Post # 1. Chapter context of Colossians 2:11-17 and within scripture context of Colossians 2:16 (post # 1618 linked)
Post # 2. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the old testament scriptures (post # 1620 linked)
Post # 3. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the new testament scriptures (post # 1622 linked)
Post # 4. Why it is impossible Gods creation Sabbath of Gods 10 commandments cannot be a shadow law of anything (post # 1657 linked)

You simply ignored the above right and were unable to respond to all the scriptures here that are in disagreement with your interpretation of a single scripture taken out of context to the rest of the bible. Now if you cannot address a single post here what is your argument? You have none do you. Just be honest.