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You don’t appear to understand that simply saying something doesn’t make it so. This is pure invention, nothing to do with anything but the insistence on contrived dogma. You have no reason, based on anything you have posted or anything anywhere in the bible, to conclude that Sabbath days in Colossians 2.16 does not include ‘the sabbath’. No reason whatsoever. There is nothing, anywhere in the bible, that would give you any reason to believe that.
From what you’ve said so far, your general claim is that your ideas are ‘from scripture’, is that correct?
I did but you didn't like my answer. Oh well.
Maybe "God's Word" is already inside us.
No, what I said was, Colossians 2:16 means what it plainly says. It just does not mean what you say it means. It says not to judge anyone in regards to meat offerings and drink offerings on the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) in the annual Feast days which are shadows of things to come. What it does not mean is your interpretation of cherry picked scripture pulled from its context to say that Gods Sabbath commandment of Gods 10 commandments has been abolished. This interpretation is in disagreement to scripture context and the rest of the bible.
Colossians 2:16 does not say that God’s 4th commandment has been abolished or does it say anywhere that God’s 4th commandment has ended as you claim here. Colossians 2:16 says Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. The scripture context is to meat and drink offerings, new moons and sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days (see where Paul is quoting from in Ezekiel 45:17). According to the scriptures there were many kinds of annual ceremonial sabbaths in the annual Feast days linked to the new moons and meat and drink offerings of the old covenant. These annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that were all shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Savoir of the world and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). What your teaching is not biblical.
Here are the links to those posts that show scripture context to Colossians 2:16 and to the rest of the bible below that you have ignored and refuse to respond to.
Agreed thanks for admitting your mistake. That is why I posted them to show it is your interpretation of as single scripture you have pulled from its context that these scriptures are in disagreement with. All the scriptures in the linked posts above only show what Paul is talking about and are in disagreement with your interpretation thereof.
My fixation is on what the scriptures teach because as Gods people we are to believe and follow what Gods Word says. It is your interpretation of these scriptures as an unbeliever that does not believe and obey what Gods Word says that has nothing to do with these scriptures and only proves you do not know God or His Words (scripture)
The embarrassing reality here is only that you as an unbeliever do not know God and His Words (scripture) and you are better off in a General chat forul. Your posts only prove your unbelief and lack of understanding of scripture context and the rest of the bible. As proven earlier in the linked posts above and the scriptures provided in them that are in disagreement with you, that you are unwilling to discuss and respond to, it is the laws of atonement (meat and drink offerings) in the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) in the annual Feast days (context) that are shadows because they point to Christs sacrifice being shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus and His work on our behalf.
You do not seem to understand that you as an unbeliever, that does not believe and obey God, cannot pull scripture out of context and build false doctrines around them. You also seem to not understand that there were many sabbaths in the Annual feast days inclusive of the full moons that were linked to Gods laws of atonement (meat and drink offerings). This has already been proven to you in the linked posts provided earlier and the scripture contexts you refuse to discuss with me showing your interpretation of scripture to be in error. Funny you talk about dogma. You do know this has a lot to do with your interpretation of Colossians 2:16 right because you do not understand context and the old testament scriptures. I do not expect you to understand what I am talking about here as you have not been reading my posts. Perhaps you can read or look up the Greek word for "ordinances" used in Colossians 2:14 δόγμα (dógma | G1378) and tell me what it means and why it might be relevant context to Colossians 2:16?
Be honest. You did not provide an answer to my question to you. You simply ignored my question to you because it proves that scripture is the only rule of faith and that none of us have Gods salvation if we do not believe and obey what Gods Word says.
Gods Word is inside us if we believe and obey what Gods Word says.
‘There are other Sabbaths, therefore Paul only meant some sabbaths’ is not an argument, it’s a completely arbitrary notion, based on nothing but the random conjecture of one more idiot who wanted to start his own church. It is delusional to dismiss the context, both the immediate context and the whole thrust of the NT to insist upon such a random point. Your whole sect is based on nothing but a completely random division that has nothing to do with anything Paul meant, as is plain from his own words, that goes against the spirit of Christ’s teaching. You don’t even keep the Sabbath, I mean, how deluded can you be? A group that doesn’t even hold to the random notion it claims as it’s major insight. It’s beyond a joke.
You missed the point again. The sabbaths in the annual Feast days linked to the old covenant laws of atonement are the shadows of things to come. Not Gods eternal Sabbath of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken that are repeated in the new testament as the standard of right and wrong, good and evil and sin and righteousness. You are deflecting again. You are the one that has pulled scripture out of context in order to build false doctrine. This was already proven to you in the linked posts you refuse to respond to from Colossians 2:11-17 and the rest of the bible. You are not being truthful now.
Nope it is clear you neither know God or His Word and only an unbeliever still lost in their sins and unbelief twisting scripture taken away from context and not understanding the basic concepts context. This has already been proven to you earlier in the posts and scriptures in disagreement with you that you refuse to respond to.
What are you taking about? I have responded to your shallow notions, and you haven’t proven anything.
What on earth are you on about?
Are you saying that you think god’s eternal sabbath means church on Saturday?
Yes I agree. You do not know what I am talking about because you do not believe in God or know His Words so for you nothing has changed you still do not believe in God or his Words and are still in your sins and unbelief.
Yes you are confused aren't you.
No. Where did I say that? If I never said Gods eternal Sabbath means church on Saturday why pretend that I did?