Which Book is the true word of God, Quran, or Bible?

[Madsaac]

You won't understand unless you take the time to research the history of the Bible, and accept that the supernatural exists. Vampires are entirely fictional so are not comparable.

Yes, the history of the bible immense because it was part of a great ancient marketing machine, not unlike the ones we see today. Same outcomes but with different methods for different times.

 

[PureX]

God didn't write or dictate any of them.

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

To me the bible is a reference book and the inspired Word. And if everything were written, not even the world could contain all teachings.

Abraham is promised by God eternal life to his descendants and 2000 tears later God fulfills His Promise through the New Eve.
The Word makes cousins of all makind brothers and sisters united through One Son from One Father for the Love of One Mother and the Prophet Muhammad reminds us all of The One God.

Common in all faith based spirit religions is the spirit. Some see the spirit as a force or a power. To me the spirit is a person in being.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[BrokenBread]

Yeah, but my statement still stands. What you have spoken of is irrelevant and trivial.

Your statements amount to opinions void of facts.
I have spoken historical facts .
Such as the fact Islam was not concocted out of envy until 610 a few thousand years after the fact that God Himself made the first human contact and brought forth the Nation Israel.
The seething rage and hate for the Jew and the Temple & to deny and kill what came long before Islam is of the carnal mind the hate and rage for the Jew being born of a lie & spiritual sin.
The truth is known by it's fruit .
Who is Blessed and who is not .
While Israel has become one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world , those filled with hate Islamic nations which surround it live in a backwards stone age existence ,
God Blesses those who are His, the miserable stone age existence of those who hate the Jew & deny God's scripture clearly shows .

Here is another fact , that Islam was started by an angel making the first human contact makes it more like the Mormon religion that anything else.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Muslims: Islam is the true faith, Quran is the word of God. Christianity is false. Bible is corrupted.

Christians: Christianity is the true faith, the Bible is the word of God, Islam is false, the Quran is not true.

Fact: Both the Bible and the Quran contradict on major points, therefore both cannot be true.
Question: Which one is the true word of God?

Is this a trick question? Neither book is the 'true' word of God. Both have been written by men.

 

[BrokenBread]

How curious that the other book admittedly created by an angel not by God is not even in the running here.
Coincidentally Also an Abrahamic faith that does not believe in the Trinity , the book of Mormon's creation by angel contact identical to Islam's .
Given in secret to a sole individual with zero given future prophecy which has been seen coming to fruition.

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No coincidence is it that there is ZERO fulfilled prophecy predicted in the two books given by spirit of angels , but the book given by God is replete with His prophecies that have been seen come to pass.
Not only Has God caused His prophecies come to pass He dares all other gods to try and do the same .
Accordingly not only do the Quran and the Book of Mormon have any unfulfilled prophecies within their covers, they do not even make an attempt.
Neither book containing even a single prophecy between them.

Isa 41:21
Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
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Isa 41:22
Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.

Isa 41:21
Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.

Isa 41:22

Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.

 

[LuisDantas]

No way either the Bible of the Qur'an are "true" in any meaningful way.

This would be a rather sad, sorry reality if either were any sort of "religious truth".

 

[BrokenBread]

No way either the Bible of the Qur'an are "true" in any meaningful way.

This would be a rather sad, sorry reality if either were any sort of "religious truth".

Psalm 22:12-19
Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.

They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.


The Truth scripture is verified in the exactness of fulfilled Prophecy.
That there is only one book that even dares to make a prophecy let alone. many of them and see them fulfilled ought to tell you something.

" In the tenth century BC, several centuries before crucifixion was invented by the Assyrians or employed by the Romans, both Israel’s King David and the prophet Zechariah predicted the death of Israel’s Messiah in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution.
They said that the Messiah would have his hands and feet pierced by Gentiles, suffer severe dehydration, his side would be pierced, and (contrary to customary procedure in crucifixion) none of his bones would be broken (Psalm 22 and 34:20). Psalm 22 also predicted that during the Messiah’s execution people would stare, gloat, mock and insult him, divide up his clothes, and cast lots for one of his garments.2
Historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment of each of these prophecies when Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead, and this finding eliminated the need for the typical breaking of bones.

 

[Tony B]

Is this a trick question? Neither book is the 'true' word of God. Both have been written by men.

Can you explain how all these different men wrote the prophesies that came true (apart from those yet to pass) centuries before the events? What's your theory on that? Random concidence? Lucky dip?

 

[Tony B]

No way either the Bible of the Qur'an are "true" in any meaningful way.

So the ten commandments are neither true nor meaningful and you're cool with murder and adultery etc etc..?

This would be a rather sad, sorry reality if either were any sort of "religious truth".

 

[soulsurvivor]

Can you explain how all these different men wrote the prophesies that came true (apart from those yet to pass) centuries before the events? What's your theory on that? Random concidence? Lucky dip?

Some Prophets can make some correct prophecies -Edgar Cayce for instance. That does not make what they say the 'word of God'.

Anyway, which specific prophecies are you talking about?

 

[Andrew Stephen]

James Peter and John spoke of what is to come the transfiguration

 

[BrokenBread]

Some Prophets can make some correct prophecies -Edgar Cayce for instance. That does not make what they say the 'word of God'.

Anyway, which specific prophecies are you talking about?

The topic is the Quran and the Bible .
One contains several fulfilled prophecies the other contains not a one.
The book containing fulfilled prophecies was given by God to several individuals , the other , like the book of Mormon was given by an angel of unknown origin to a single individual dared not make a prophecy.

 

[soulsurvivor]

The book containing fulfilled prophecies was given by God to several individuals

Name one prophecy please with chapter and verse.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

there is also loads of witness and circumstantial corroborating evidence that [Jesus] was resurrected

You have no evidence of resurrection of any kind apart from hearsay reported by anonymous sources (maybe just one who was the source of that claim for all others) of unknown character, intelligence, or agenda. I can't imagine weaker evidence for an extraordinary claim.

Vampires are entirely fictional so are not comparable.

Vampires are very comparable to gods. Make a list of all things you consider nonexistent fictions and you will find that gods are indistinguishable from what you call nonexistent.

Offended or not by the comparison, your evidence for gods is no better than the vampirist's evidence for his beliefs. Neither can be ruled in or out. For the empiricist, who needs compelling evidence to believe, that means unbelief in both.

So the ten commandments are neither true nor meaningful and you're cool with murder and adultery etc etc..?

The Ten Commandments are meaningless to me. That I happen to share some values with them is meaningless. The proscription against murdering, lying, and stealing are nearly universal in human culture with obvious societal benefit where they are observed.

And I don't care about adultery except to say that it's not for me or my wife. If we felt otherwise, then we would engage in it. And though I consider it dangerous if you're doing it secretly and betraying one or more people, and I have no respect for that behavior, I also don't mind if people choose to go that route - a nice example of me NOT getting my moral precepts form that or any other holy book.

You won't understand unless you take the time to research the history of the Bible, and accept that the supernatural exists.

There is no reason to believe that the supernatural is a thing. The idea is incoherent. Is it causally connected to nature? If so, it's another aspect of nature as yet undiscovered as the world of bacteria, DNA and subatomic physics once was. If not, then it cannot affect our world or our experience of it, making whatever you are thinking of irrelevant whether it exists in some sense or not.

Supernatural is a linguistic invention and sleight-of-hand to warehouse the nonexistent in order to explain why it/they can't be detected while simultaneously claiming that denizens of this realm can and do modify our reality, which of course would make them detectible through that effect. That's the incoherent (internally self-contradictory) part.

Can you explain how all these different men wrote the prophesies that came true (apart from those yet to pass) centuries before the events?

Many of those prophecies are too nonspecific to say that any actual event in history corresponds to them. Some are too mundane to be impressive. Some have been deliberately fulfilled after the fact by people who knew these prophecies.

Psalm 22:12-19 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me. The Truth scripture is verified in the exactness of fulfilled Prophecy.

Here's nice a nice example from seven posts above this one on the same page that I presume you offer as an example of precisely fulfilled prophecy judging by your final sentence and the words following that which you offer as exact fulfillment. Sorry, but that's what I mean by nonspecific. It could be applied to a riot or a rodeo or a battle in a war from any century. It can be said to describe Cersei's walk of shame in Game of Thrones. It could describe somebody being in the middle East being stoned to death or the death of George Floyd or Giovanni Bruno.

Such is nonspecific prophecy. It's a verbal Rorschach test. It shows the susceptible whatever it is that they want it to show.

In discerning the evidence and arriving at an answer from a historical and prophecy fulfilled perspective you have to realize that in the case of Christianity that it is actually part and parcel of the Jewish faith.

Not to the Jews.

There could have never been a Christian faith without there first being a Jewish faith. They are inextricably linked.

That's also true of Islam and Baha'ism, also faiths worshiping their versions of the god of Abraham.

So yes, Christianity is a spinoff of Judaism, followed by Islam then Baha'ism. We could say that Judaism was Happy Days, Christianity Laverne and Shirley, Islam Mork and Mindy, and Baha'ism would then be Joannie loves Chachi. The spinoffs all owe their existence to the original.

 

[Feedmysheep]

My vote? The question cannot be answered, accurately, unless the individual can read and understand the text in its original language.

All Hebrew language readers do not always agree on what is being said in the Hebrew Bible.
All NT Greek readers do not always agree on just what is being said in the New Testament.

So just ability to read the original language is not a sole guarantee of comprehension.
Some of the disputes are rather minor in both cases. But not always so in both OT and NT.

 

[Feedmysheep]

You have no evidence of resurrection of any kind apart from hearsay reported by anonymous sources (maybe just one who was the source of that claim for all others) of unknown character, intelligence, or agenda. I can't imagine weaker evidence for an extraordinary claim.

You're complaint is weak.
It sounds like you are fortifying yourself against ANY evidence up front as a precaution.

 

[BrokenBread]

Name one prophecy please with chapter and verse.

Psalm 22:12-19
Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.

They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.


The Truth scripture is verified in the exactness of fulfilled Prophecy.
That there is only one book that even dares to make a prophecy let alone. many of them and see them fulfilled ought to tell you something.

" In the tenth century BC, several centuries before crucifixion was invented by the Assyrians or employed by the Romans, both Israel’s King David and the prophet Zechariah predicted the death of Israel’s Messiah in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution.
They said that the Messiah would have his hands and feet pierced by Gentiles, suffer severe dehydration, his side would be pierced, and (contrary to customary procedure in crucifixion) none of his bones would be broken (Psalm 22 and 34:20). Psalm 22 also predicted that during the Messiah’s execution people would stare, gloat, mock and insult him, divide up his clothes, and cast lots for one of his garments.2
Historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment of each of these prophecies when Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead, and this finding eliminated the need for the typical breaking of bones.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You're complaint is weak.

If you think it contains an error of fact and you are correct, you can falsify my claim with a counterargument.

I said that "you have no evidence of resurrection of any kind apart from hearsay reported by anonymous sources." If that claim is incorrect, you should be able to demonstrate as much. You should be able to produce better evidence that doesn't fit that description.

But you can't, because the claim is correct.

Here's the thing about a correct idea: It can't be successfully refuted. All one can do is reject it out of hand without falsifying it as you have done here - an act of faith.

That you can't refute it doesn't establish the idea as correct. Perhaps somebody else can successfully refute it. But the last plausible, unrebutted claim stands as a presumptively correct answer until it is successfully refuted, and that is my claim above in this case.

It sounds like you are fortifying yourself against ANY evidence up front as a precaution.

Then you misunderstood what you read. I said that you existing evidence is inadequate. Present compelling evidence of Jesus' resurrection and I'll be the first to say, "My bad. Praise the Lord."

What you have is the opposite of compelling evidence, and it is insufficient to justify belief in resurrection according to academic standards for evaluating evidence. There is good reason to believe that reversing biological death (distinct from things like sudden death and brain death) is impossible short of magic, and we have no good reason to believe that magic (miracles) occurs.

 

[BrokenBread]

Psalm 22:12-19
Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.

They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.

Here's nice a nice example from seven posts above this one on the same page that I presume you offer as an example of precisely fulfilled prophecy judging by your final sentence and the words following that which you offer as exact fulfillment. Sorry, but that's what I mean by nonspecific. It could be applied to a riot or a rodeo or a battle in a war from any century. It can be said to describe Cersei's walk of shame in Game of Thrones. It could describe somebody being in the middle East being stoned to death or the death of George Floyd or Giovanni Bruno.

Sounds pretty easy to do from a blowhard , short on giving an actual example perspective.
Of course the fact that you don't dare try to actual follow thru and create an actual comparable scenario that can even scratch the surface of the harmony in the details that exists biblically between the Psalm and execution by a means that was not even known at the time the Psalm was penned clearly shows your sense of hesitation and fear in knowing how challenging actually trying to follow thru with what you say you can show us and pathetically weak any attempt to do so would be.
I would also be afraid to actually try to do what I boasted about saying I can do myself , if I were you.