Which Book is the true word of God, Quran, or Bible?

[Feedmysheep]

The Quran to me presents a more reasonable God, more eloquent God, more logical and more clean in the way he relates his religion to people. Very consistent.

Being a Christian I decided a few years back that I should read the Quran if I would like Moslems to read the New Testament.
So a got one. And I started to read through it cover to cover.

I'll tell you, I found it hard. Somthing about the "taste" of it was not at all pleasant to me.
I have to give it another try because I ceased. But I did try.

I just moved to another state and my library is still in storage. So I cannot give you the translation or examples at this time.

You say it is more clean, more eloquent and logical?

 

[Sargonski]

Quran says Jesus is a messenger of God, but doesn’t have a single word uttered by him?

That would be the same as Paul pretty much ..

 

[Feedmysheep]

Contradiction ? .. there is contradiction within the same book The Bible for example .. Do we A ) Kill the child for the sin of the Father or B) Do not kill the child for the sins of the Father ,, -- each is to be punished according to his own sin.

New Testament believers are not instructed to kill anybody.

 

[BrokenBread]

But Jews don't consider it to be. They consider Islam to be far closer to the Jewish faith and that they believe in the same monotheistic God.

If they believed in the same God they would not have sided up with Satan & Hitler in hopes of killing the Jews.
That's a different god by the way .
The evidence is the fact that Israel is one of the most advanced countries in the world . while those countries around them seeking to destroy them are as backwards and stone age as you can get.
The fate of Hitler and all those who hate the Jews and their God is also a fulfilled prophesy of the real God who has declared He will Bless those who love the Jew and will curse those who hate them .
You may want to check with Hitler on that fact .

 

[Feedmysheep]

Contradiction ? .. there is contradiction within the same book The Bible for example .. Do we A ) Kill the child for the sin of the Father or B) Do not kill the child for the sins of the Father ,, -- each is to be punished according to his own sin.

Which is from "The one True God" ?? Neither .. .. as there is no one true God ... Both Gods are True .. one as true as the other... I choose to follow the God giving us Rule B) .. others wish to follow Lord Jealous --- twin demiurge of YHWH .. the Convenant where Rule A comes from.

So there is actually no contradiction .. some made up monotheistic God that does not exist in the text contradicting himself .. what we have is two different Gods.

I have to consider the Law of Moses a little differently.

If a miracle of the Exodus occured it is understandable that harsh penalty was levied against infractions against the law delivered
at Mt. Sinai to that generation who should have known better. They witnessed the reality of Yahweh and therefore had little excuse.

I also have to consider that Moses rightly appointed judges to handle difficult cases among the large multitude.
The really hard cases were to be brought to him.
I assume that wise judges took into account all the relvant circumstances. And therefore few capital punishments took place.
We don't have a record of many.

I also have to consider that Yahweh, along with the harshest penalties, instituted atoneing offerings for absolution and remission of offenses.
There was the consecration offering, the sin offering, the trespass offering, the meal offering, etc.
Without these expiatory avenues there would have been no forgiveness of death deserving offenses.

Another consideration I must think of - God had to establish to the world both His holiness and hatred for sin and sinninhg.
Otherwise the offering of the Son of God for the sins of the world would not be so significant.
I mean it would make no sense for the Gospel of Luke to immediately follow Genesis.
I think the awfulness of sin and the divine hatred of it had to be established with such penalties as a background to
Christ eventually coming to singlehandedly open the way for forgiveness and justification of all sinners.

The particular sample of contradiction I would like to study in maybe another post.

 

[The Hammer]

None of them.

 

[firedragon]

If they believed in the same God

I have given you the evidence mate. Watch those videos. They are Jews. Not Muslims. Both very famous Rabbis. One is very revered Jewish.

There is no "if".

 

[JameScott]

True word of which God?

Islam has an notion of God that is different from that of Christianity. The source; The Quran and The Bible. They do not agree on major points that define each faith. There Both cannot be true, it's important to consider which is true. its unreasonable to stand on the fence. Ultimately, the God in the Quran (basing on what is in the Quran) cannot and is not the same as the God in the Bible.

 

[JameScott]

My vote? The question cannot be answered, accurately, unless the individual can read and understand the text in its original language.

please elaborate on this, I am interested in your view.

 

[JameScott]

Nothing I like more than a honest and thoughtful poll. This one is not ...

what would you change about this poll?

 

[JameScott]

One book that comes to mind is the little book in Revelations 10:7-11.

John has a vision, that he is touring heaven, and even gets to see the throne of God. He observes and listens to the Angels speak, of what is, and what shall be. This little book checks all the boxes, for a divine book, forged in heaven.



But it is a mystery, that has been sealed, so it may not be in the running, until the mystery is solved.

Thought provoking view, Thanks for your insightful perspective.

 

[blü 2]

Islam has an notion of God that is different from that of Christianity. The source; The Quran and The Bible. They do not agree on major points that define each faith. There Both cannot be true, it's important to consider which is true. its unreasonable to stand on the fence. Ultimately, the God in the Quran (basing on what is in the Quran) cannot and is not the same as the God in the Bible.

Exactly. Hence my question.

 

[JameScott]

Both are the word of God and I am not sure what one means by true faith. Both entail faith in God. There are apparent contradictions but that is due to a lack of understanding of what God is saying in both communities.

Brother, Do I need to spell out for you the distinguishing factors? Having read both, I can certainly say, it is not possible for both to be the word of God. one originates before the other; the Latter says that the former is corrupted in major ways. one says Jesus is the son of God and died and rose again and is indeed Lord. While the other says, Jesus was only a messenger, He was not the son of God and did not die, but it was made to appear so.
you decide, are they the same?

 

[firedragon]

Islam has an notion of God that is different from that of Christianity. The source; The Quran and The Bible. They do not agree on major points that define each faith. There Both cannot be true, it's important to consider which is true. its unreasonable to stand on the fence. Ultimately, the God in the Quran (basing on what is in the Quran) cannot and is not the same as the God in the Bible.

It's not that it's not the same God and you cannot paint the whole Bible with one paint because there are different obvious theologies. Just because people have different ideas God's cannot be different. Concepts can be.

When you say the Bible, Jews have a very different concept of God to the Christians. They consider the Christian concept blasphemy. And that's based on the Tanakh which is a huge part of the Bible.

 

[JameScott]

Then open your eyes to all the human errors in them in my view

I think it is possible to consider human errors in both, yet one denies the existence of human errors. the Quran is said to be without errors as it is perfectly preserved and one of the miracles in Islam. The Bible possibly has errors, that is not denied, however, it appears that overall the message or meaning and implication of the communication remains whole, inspire of human error. this is Similar to "He went to the shop" & " He walked to the shop". Different but overall meaning and communication remains.

 

[JameScott]

Exactly. Hence my question.

What are your thoughts?

 

[JameScott]

You assume:
1) God granted only 1 true Scripture (only God knows)
2) Only one Religion can be the true faith (only God knows)
3) God calls 1 faith true, the rest He calls false (only God knows)
4) God will never give contradictions (only God knows)
5) ...

Are the above assumptions maybe your Assumptions, and not God's assumptions?

I do love Polls, but you excluded my faith, so I have to pass on this poll, sadly

Stvdv thanks for your comment. I didn't intend to exclude yours or any other faith. but we have a serious consideration here to scrutinize. It also helps to have a narrow topic. please feel free to create a thread. or include your thought about your faith.

 

[JameScott]

I guess this question is for Protestants and Muslims since those who follow traditional Christianity do not believe that the Word of God is a Book.

How else do you know about your God,?

 

[GoodAttention]

Nice. Thanks.

Why are you thanking me?

The Injeel wasn't "special" enough to elaborate in the Quran, Allah says you're welcome?

 

[stvdv]

Stvdv thanks for your comment.

I didn't intend to exclude yours or any other faith

Aha, glad to read that
Default is: Abrahamic beliefs are exclusive
And you did not exclude anyone

. but we have a serious consideration here to scrutinize.

True, we agree here

It also helps to have a narrow topic.

True again. And you did it very well

You did write the Original Post #1 perfectly

please feel free to create a thread.

or include your thought about your faith.

My Faith in short:
All Faiths (Religions) are different paths leading to God
God is beyond worldly understanding
All Names of God are His

IF you hurt a creature of God's creation
THEN you "hurt" God

"Hurt Never, Help Ever"