Which evolved first, consciousness or senses

[Twilight Hue]

The thread is working with bizarre defs.

Really good illustration on how people view the same term differently by which the answers become so varied and diverse.

 

[FearGod]

Since the question assumes evolution the answer is simple: the senses, they have selective advantage without consciousness.

And how consciousness evolved to interact with the senses and both work in harmony?

 

[fantome profane]

And how consciousness evolved to interact with the senses and both work in harmony?

Because there is a selective advantage for them to work in harmony. Organisms where the senses do not works in harmoniously with the consciousness will be selected against, they will die out without passing on their genes.. Organisms where the senses work more harmoniously with consciousness will be selected for and they will pass on their genes in greater number. This is evolution 101.

And don't think that our senses work in perfect harmony with our consciousness. Our consciousness sometimes causes us to misinterpret the input we get from our sensory organs. But they are harmonious enough and in a way that has allowed us to survive. But people die everyday because their senses were not in harmony with their consciousness.

 

[FearGod]

Because there is a selective advantage for them to work in harmony. Organisms where the senses do not works in harmoniously with the consciousness will be selected against, they will die out without passing on their genes.. Organisms where the senses work more harmoniously with consciousness will be selected for and they will pass on their genes in greater number. This is evolution 101.

And don't think that our senses work in perfect harmony with our consciousness. Our consciousness sometimes causes us to misinterpret the input we get from our sensory organs. But they are harmonious enough and in a way that has allowed us to survive. But people die everyday because their senses were not in harmony with their consciousness.

Why the born baby aren't conscious? why consciousness develop later on?
IOW we born with the senses but consciousness isn't.

 

[fantome profane]

Why the born baby aren't conscious? why consciousness develop later on?
IOW we born with the senses but consciousness isn't.

We are not talking about human babies, we are talking about how senses and consciousness evolved in the first place. We are talking about microscopic single celled organisms, and then following the evolutionary process from there.

 

[FearGod]

We are not talking about human babies, we are talking about how senses and consciousness evolved in the first place. We are talking about microscopic single celled organisms, and then following the evolutionary process from there.

I mentioned human babies as an example for the fact that they're born not aware of the surrounding.

 

[fantome profane]

I mentioned human babies as an example for the fact that they're born not aware of the surrounding.

So your answer to the question would be the same as mine. Senses came before consciousness.

 

[Noitall]

So your answer to the question would be the same as mine. Senses came before consciousness.

Everybody is so serious on these threads. I'm sure you will all be able to answer all the questions of the universe before you're done.....good luck!

 

[Parsimony]

Senses evolved first. There are plenty of creatures that have senses but are not conscious. Plants can sense the presence of sunlight and grow towards it, for example.

 

[fantome profane]

Everybody is so serious on these threads. I'm sure you will all be able to answer all the questions of the universe before you're done.....good luck!

Hey, don't try your sarcasm on me bub. I am the king of sarcasm.

 

[FearGod]

So your answer to the question would be the same as mine. Senses came before consciousness.

No it isn't the same, consciousness developed and not evolved, consciousness doesn't evolve in a baby human but it develops later on.

 

[Sapiens]

No it isn't the same, consciousness developed and not evolved, consciousness doesn't evolve in a baby human but it develops later on.

Hair developed and not evolved on a baby's head, it develops later later on.

 

[Sapiens]

Senses without consciousness has no value, similarly consciousness without senses has no value.

How senses and consciousness evolved simultaneously, was it due to plan or just happened by chance?

Senses without consciousness have great value.

 

[FearGod]

Senses without consciousness has great value.

Not for humans.

 

[FearGod]

Hair developed and not evolved on a baby's head, it develops later later on.

Not the head but the groin area, but still incomparable to senses and consciousness.

 

[Sapiens]

Not for humans.

There is some truth to that, unconscious humans have little need for most of their senses.

 

[Sapiens]

Not the head but the groin area, but still incomparable to senses and consciousness.

But comparable enough to put the lie to your construct.

 

[FearGod]

But comparable enough to put the lie to your construct.

Hair is related to hair, which isn't the case for 2 different things, senses and consciousness.

 

[FearGod]

There is some truth to that, unconscious humans have little need for most of their senses.

Humans won't survive if not conscious, even animals won't survive if not partly conscious.

 

[atanu]

yes
yes
no its been examined and I am not throwing assumptions.

Okay. Give me one evidence of creation of intelligence.

If our awareness is a created thing, then it has no objective power. The process that generated it, determines our intelligence and its outputs. There is no other option.